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gnn.tv/headlines/15311/Why_Your_Vote_Will_Never_Matter


You may feel that you vote freely, but ask yourself why you don’t feel free to vote for a minor party candidate. Ask yourself why you don’t want to “waste” your vote, yet instead reward with it the very parties responsible

You may feel that you vote freely, but ask yourself why you don’t feel free to vote for a minor party candidate. Ask yourself why you don’t want to “waste” your vote, yet instead reward with it the very parties responsible

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sometimeman said:

Meanwhile, if they can build a tamper-proof lottery system, why can't they build a tamper-proof voting system?

It is because Lamar controls everything, even Diebold, sometimeman.




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I ran across this...it's possible.
people.howstuffworks.com/vote-tampering.htm

[sometimeman]

Lie mar is just a cog in the donkphants machine.
When the folks that send the "expert from afar" to Union County to sit the ballot AND election outcome up in the Union County voting machines get enough of Lie mar then, he's history.

The only hope the Union County GOP has is to become very attractive to the donkphants. When that happens what they are trying to accomplish will happen just as "easy as falling off a greasy log!"

[sometimeman]

All the donkphants want is a "friend" in Union County. Right now Lie mar is it.
And, I hope to @#$ that changes. A few more boo, boos like the Court house fiasco and it will.

No donkphant wants a "friend" that publicly embarrasses him!

[sometimeman]

Sonny(s) and the UC GOP have their work cut out for them!

www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2007/2800

Why doesn't the GOP want Ohio's voting machines tested?

by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman
September 11, 2007

Ohio Republicans have blocked a proposal to test electronic voting machines prior to the 2008 presidential primary.

By a 4-3 vote, Republicans on Ohio’s State Controlling Board blocked Democratic Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner’s proposed $1.8 million unbid contract for voting machine testing. Brunner had already set aside the $1.8 million for the test. Her specific request to the Controlling Board was a waiver for competitive bidding. Her office had hoped to complete all testing by November 30, 2007.

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Judge Voids Election Results Over E-Voting Results That Couldn't Be Audited
from the nice-work dept

Apparently a judge in Alameda County, California, has voided some election results after the e-voting tallies from Diebold machines couldn't be audited. The vote was on a controversial ballot measure, where the end result was quite close. Some activists went to court to demand a recount, but elections officials had already sent the machines back to Diebold, who had conveniently erased 96% of the necessary audit information. The issue will return to the ballot in the next election. Either way, this highlights one of the problems of e-voting machines that have no verifiable audit trail, and it's nice to see a judge actually recognizing that. Of course, this time it was for a ballot measure that can wait until the next election. What about cases where these machines were used for electing officials?

[sometimeman]

Voting Machines Giving Florida New Headache
“I think we are going to have them on hand for a while,” said Arthur Anderson, the elections supervisor in Palm Beach County, which must jettison 4,900 touch-screen machines for which it paid $14.5 million in 2001 and still owes $4.8 million. “They are probably, for the most part, headed to the scrap pile.”

www.nytimes.com/2007/10/13/us/politics/13voting.html?_r=4&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

[bubbadebubba]

I sent an email to the Secretary of state and the State Elections Board about the voting machines 6 weeks ago, they haven't responded yet and I have little faith they will respond. Along with the email I sent the link to the Princeton video showing the errors of the machine. All they wanna do is draw their tax-payers checks and live off the tax-payers, they don't care about right and wrong.

[sometimeman]

“Boys, I may not know much, but I know chicken Sh#t from chicken salad.” ~ Lyndon Baines Johnson

Lee Horne and his friends all voted for him in his own voting precinct, yet only one vote was registered for him.
In Bunkie, His campaign manager's family voted for him, yet only two vote registered for him.... and there are more reports coming in like this...

I'd say its more than a rumor, its a dirty lil' secret no one is talking about.

below is an email I received from Lee Horne, according to him the Sec. of State office admitted knowing about the problem, well if there is a problem like this how can the election be validated? Bobby Jindal may not have gotten a majority!

Mr. Horne's email is included if you need to contact him regarding this information.

-Brent Sanders
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From: tleehorneiii@removed
To: tleehorneiii@removed
Subject: Election results and news.
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:51:23 -0500

The election didn't go well. I received a few reports, one from my campaign
manager, that the electronic machines were switching votes from me to
Jindal. When he called to Sec of State and finally got someone he was told
it is a known problem and they don't know what to do about it.

Other people contacted me. They would vote for me, then vote the rest of the
ballot, go back to check their votes and the vote for me was changed before
they recorded so they canceled and revoted.

In Franklin, only 1 person officially voted for me in my precinct. Not
likely as I voted for me and I am sure of 3 others.

In Bunkie, 3 people in one precinct voted for me and only 2 votes showed up
for me.

How many other votes for other candidates were switched to B. Jindal? But
hey, it is Louisiana, what can you expect?


T. Lee Horne, III
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# related postselectronic voter fraud comes to rapides parish

More>> www.google.com/search?q=electronic+voting+fraud

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2 election workers get 18 months for rigging presidential recount.
MORE>>> agonist.org/michael_collins/20071021/destruction_of_evidence_ohios_2004_presidential_ballots

The crime took place in the largest voting district in Ohio, Cuyahoga County, which includes Cleveland. Election workers created the recount that wasn’t thus denying the public of vital information about charges of election fraud.

The tale of the lost ballots and destroyed evidence begins with a law suit brought by citizens against Ohio officials: King Lincoln Bronzeville Neighborhood Association (KLBNA) v. Blackwell. The suit charges Blackwell and other Ohio officials with: “election fraud, vote dilution, vote suppression, recount fraud and other violations.”

Specific charges include: “withholding unused (unvoted) ballots” in response to legitimate requests to review these ballots; violation of Ohio law by “breaks in the bipartisan chain of custody;” and “tampering with ballots” by marking Bush’s name on ballots with no presidential vote and switching ballots from Kerry to a third party candidate. Amended Complaint October 9, 2006

In order to prove their case, plaintiff’s counsel, noted voting rights attorney Cliff Arnebeck, needed all of the ballots from the 2004 election. Federal law stipulates a 22 month retention period for all federal elections, as does Ohio law for state elections. The presiding judge in the case, Algenon L. Marbley, issued a court order on September 6, 2006 extending the retention requirements for an additional 12 months. Blackwell was instructed to distribute the order to Ohio’s boards of elections.

The Judge then ordered that the ballots be turned over to the new Secretary of State, Democrat Jennifer Brunner on April 7, 2007. Brunner sent a request out for the ballot evidence two days later

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This Guys a Democrat!!

Interview with Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH)
San Mateo, California, 10/21/07
MORE>> www.bradblog.com/?p=5196
EMILY LEVY: Last June you announced that you were going to drop your cosponsorship of HR811, the Holt bill. You're still listed on Thomas's website, on the House website, as a cosponsor. Are you still a cosponsor?

REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: I took my name off.

EL: You did.

DK: Absolutely. I went to the floor of the House and removed my name.

EL: That's good to know. And we'll need to find out why they haven't updated their website.

DK: I'll ask about that.

EL: Okay. And I'm wondering what actions you're taking, either as a Congressional representative or as a candidate, to ensure that there won't be mass disenfranchisement of voters of color and poor and working class voters in the elections in 2008?

DK: Well, you know, besides making sure we have paper ballots where every vote's going to count and every vote will be counted, the electronic systems have deprived all voters, whatever their race, color or creed, of the integrity of the election system. Furthermore, I think that we need to insist that the United States Justice Department provide monitors and that all civil rights groups also provide monitors in all communities of color to make sure that there's no, first of all, in anticipation of the election, to make sure that each and every county election board is adequately staffed, that there's a sufficient number of polling places, that the hours are guaranteed to be kept open, that the polling places are accessible and well-staffed, I mean these are the mechanics of an election.

EL: Absolutely.

DK: But you have to pay attention to the mechanics of the election in order to make sure that the election's going to be run right, and then on the day of the election you need officials there to make sure that it's proceeding the way it was set up, it was supposed to be set up.

EL: And what would you do, what would you suggest, say, for Georgia, where they not only have all electronic voting, it's all Diebold and no paper trails, where there's not going to be any evidence of...

DK: I have a real problem with any state that has all Diebold. Because you can't guarantee that technology. And I think the only way to stop that is for citizens of that state to file a lawsuit claiming that their right to vote is being undermined by this technology which is unproven.

EL: Great. And could you explain for those of our readers who don't understand why you would take your name off a bill that claims to be a paper ballot bill, which is the Holt bill, HR 811, and speak out in favor of paper ballots?

DK: Well, actually, it's my legislation to create paper ballots. That came before the Holt bill. And so the Holt bill, after talking to people across the country, they pointed out their concerns and the deficiencies of the bill and asked me to take my name off it and I agreed to do that. And I did.

EL: And do you consider the Holt bill a paper ballot bill? It talks about paper…

DK: I wouldn't describe it as that. I mean, I think that it goes far beyond that, I want a simple bill to make paper ballots the way that elections are, the form of ballot for all presidential and federal elections.

EL: Okay, great. And as the representative from Cleveland, in Cuyahoga County, you were, it was your constituents who were among the most cheated in the 2004 --- well, we all were, in the whole country, but some of the biggest problems in the country happened right in Cuyahoga County. And I'm wondering how it looks to you like the plans that Jennifer Brunner has as the new SoS...

DK: I would hope that the, that Jennifer Brunner is going to--actually, she won her seat because of the irregularities in the election. People were so upset with the office of Secretary of State that they elected someone who promised reform. She won on a policy of election reform. So I would hope that Ohio, having suffered so grievously from the deficiencies in election system, will, with the new Secretary of State, have an election system that will protect the integrity of the elections. I'm sure it will.

EL: And one more question about voting and I have one separate question. How would you encourage people to vote when they don't have confidence that their vote will be counted accurately? Why should people still vote?

DK: Because there's no other way that we're going to change the system. I mean, the fact of the matter is if people vote in massive numbers, I can win the presidency, if they vote for what they want. And when you have a small number of people voting, then the election's always going to be in doubt. But if we have a big turnout and people, let's just say, are going to vote for me because they want health care, it changes the country. If they want peace, it changes the country. People have to vote in their own self-interest.

[sometimeman]

Dear God please let this happen in Union County!

yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/04/1231226
Judge Voids Un-Auditable California Election
Oct 04, 2007
from the recount-or-rerun dept.
The Courts Politics

For only the second time in California history, a judge in Alameda County voided an election result and called for the election to be re-run, because the e-voting tallies from Diebold machines couldn't be audited. The vote was on a controversial ballot measure addressing the operation of medical marijuana dispensaries, and the result was a close margin. Activists went to court to demand a recount, but after the lawsuit was filed, elections officials sent voting machines back to Diebold. The court found that 96% of the necessary audit information had been erased. The judge ordered the ballot measure to be re-run in the next election.

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READ>> today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21558022/

Meyer: The first question I asked the Senator was about his concession of the 2004 election. Greg Palast, author of "Armed Madhouse," the book I was holding up at the forum, proved that John Kerry won the 2004 election. The ultimate point I was trying to make was to bring up was the heinous way millions of American votes were chucked in the garbage on Election Day. Not only is this a total assault on democracy, but the same tactics used to throw away votes in 2004 will be used again in 2008. Read about the Help America Vote Act and see for yourself. HAVA helps America vote in about the same way the PATRIOT Act patriotically dismantles the Bill of Rights. In other words, it’s completely Un-American.

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