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Post by sometimeman on May 7, 2008 23:41:47 GMT -4
Them People at snopes ought to know better! www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/cindy.aspCindy McCain is Senator McCain's second wife. His infidelities put strain on his first marriage, and he was divorced from Carol McCain, his wife of 15 years, in 1980. (Carol McCain not only waited for five and a half years for her husband to return from Vietnam, but she also endured a horrific automobile accident during that period which broke both her legs and one arm and ruptured her spleen. She nearly lost her left leg, and surgeries left her four inches shorter than she was before her accident. The woman John McCain returned to was far different in appearance from the beautiful former model he'd left behind
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Post by sometimeman on May 8, 2008 0:00:52 GMT -4
Cindy McCain is John's second wife. John divorced his first wife because she was mangled in an auto accident. John was a Navy Pilot . While on the aircraft carrier deck awaiting take off, he pumped his engine full of fuel (flooded it) to get a hot start as a "cute prank" like other pilots had done. This time, he pumped too much fuel and as he "flamed" the other pilot, it caused a rocket under this planes wing to go off which caused a great fire on the ship, destroying planes and killing about a hundred sailors. John should have been Court Marshalled. John's dad was a high ranking Navy man and got him off. John was shot down in Vietnam and spent time in so called, "solitary confinement". His solitary confinement included Vietnamese girls and about any other perk available. John gave the enemy as much information as he had. This cost more American Lives. And, should have led to another court Marshall and his execution. HOW TO VOTE? Here are computer links to help you decide about John McCain: First Wifewww.google.com/search?hl=en&q=John+McCain%27s+first+wife&btnG=Google+Search Ship Firewww.google.com/search?hl=en&q=John+McCain+Ship+Fire&btnG=SearchSolitary Confinementwww.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=John+McCain+Solitary+confinement&spell=1John McCain is a fake, is scum. I will not vote to "choose the lessor of two evils". Ron Paul is the only truly Godly man running. I will write his name in.
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Post by sometimeman on May 8, 2008 0:05:24 GMT -4
Bubba this is very high class propaganda. Look at the origin
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Post by summerose on May 8, 2008 10:29:17 GMT -4
Thanks for posting the "truth" about John McCain bubba.
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Post by sometimeman on May 8, 2008 10:38:59 GMT -4
Bubba I respect and honor your opinion. When it comes to wanting better for Union County,"We is together"
From one of your posts above... [On July 29, 1967, a series of flight deck fires broke out onboard the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal (CVA 59) while conducting combat operations in the Gulf of Tonkin, North Vietnam. The conflagration began when a Zuni rocket on a F-4 Phantom discharges and hits an A-4 Skyhawk. The impact dislodges and ruptures a 400 gallon external tank, igniting the fuel. A 1000 bomb drops off the the Skyhawk into the fire and explodes in 90 seconds, causing a sympathetic detonation of more than a dozen 500- and 1000-lb bombs. Explosions punch holes in the flight deck, allowing the firey fuel to cascade below and ignite ammunition and warheads. Fire takes 13 hours to extinguish. There were 134 deaths and 161 casualties reported as a result of the fires.]
The information, I accepted. regarding this was, that John McCain's horse play, by flame starting his jet, is the trigger that started the scenario, resulting in the deaths and fire.
Now one of my hero's, Henry Ford, said, "whether you think you can or whether you think you can't, you are right". This parallels with the scripture that says, " As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he".
So here we are, each with different opinions and each entitled to hold that opinion. Now, regarding whats best for America, I say Ron Paul is best. Ron behaves like a whimp but he has unmatched integrity and he knows which road to take, he understands the Federal Reserve and what to do about the fix America is in.
Bubba, The bridge is out on the road you are own, we can't get home that way.
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Post by sometimeman on May 8, 2008 11:06:01 GMT -4
Now Miss Rose, we all have to have information to form an opinion and we all get this information from some place. The question is, where did you get your information to form your opinion about John McCain? Was it the "Mainstream Media"? Now Miss Rose, Please don't be offended. Please take time to read and consider this from Miss Devvy Kidd. Leave sometime man out of it and just take it as from one woman to another. Miss Kidd has done years of research. I believe this is "truth" SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO" By: Devvy August 26, 2004 NewsWithViews.com Arizona Senator John McCain has been making big hay with the media lately regarding the anti-Kerry "Swift Boat" ads (search)calling for the White House to denounce them. McCain, never one to shy away from the camera, carries his own baggage from Viet Nam. This two part series was originally published in my old newsletter, The Power Educator, with permission from Ted Sampley of the U.S. Veteran Dispatch, July 1995. McCain has always had his own problems with Viet Nam veterans. The government's media apparatus has basically given him a free pass. John McCain the second-term Republican senator from Arizona and former Navy pilot captured and held prisoner during the Vietnam War, is a fraud, collaborator, and danger to the security of the United States because he is being black-mailed by the communist Vietnamese. He is a phony--a "rhinestone hero." While a prisoner of war, McCain was treated as a "special prisoner," with privileges including being given his own private and affectionate nurse. McCain's treatment as a "special prisoner" is a contradiction to his much publicized image of a great war hero who was severely tortured and kept in solitary confinement for long periods of time because he refused to break during interrogation. Ted Guy, a former Air Force Colonel held 5 1/2 years by the Vietnamese and McCain's senior ranking officer (SRO) in the POW camp, told the U.S. Veteran Dispatch he cannot remember the communists ever laying a hand on McCain.Other sources have told the U.S. Veteran Dispatch that the Vietnamese are holding as much as fifty hours of film footage secretly taken of McCain during the time his KGB-trained handlers had him isolated from other U.S. prisoners of war. Some of the film, according to the sources, is of McCain receiving special privileges during the time he claims he was being tortured and held in long-term solitary confinement. The sources say interrogators have candid camera footage of McCain with the nurse, who allegedly supplied him with more than just medical attention during those lonely days and nights in so-called solitary confinement. In June 1992, Trung Hieu, a film director from the Vietnamese Ministry of Culture and former North Vietnamese Army photographer, told the U.S. Veteran Dispatch that Hanoi does have considerable film of POW McCain and some of it involves a Vietnamese woman. Trung, who worked during the war as an official photographer in North Vietnam's POW camps, was in the United States seeking political asylum when he told the U.S. Veterans Dispatch about the film. Trung also said that during the war he photographed a nearly intact B-52 bomber, which was shot down at the edge of an air field near Hanoi in December 1972. He said the North Vietnamese traded the B-52 and some of its surviving crew members to the Soviets for three MIG-23 jet interceptors. Trung said the Soviets wanted to interrogate the crew about U.S. electronic warfare. Trung said he took movie film of an American F-111 fighter bomber also shot down in 1972. He said the F-111 capsule, along with the surviving crew, was sent to China. The crew, according to Trung, was later returned to Hanoi. McCain, who was a member of the 1992 Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, argued emotionally during the hearings that "none of the returned U.S. prisoners of war released by Vietnam were ever interrogated by the Soviets." Trung has said Hanoi has a large, secret vault containing shelves loaded with POW/MIA related film, which it has never allowed the U.S. government to view. Gene Brown, who was employed by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) for a period of time in 1992 and 1993, told the U.S. Veteran Dispatch that, while in Hanoi, he had been inside a vault which contained wall-to-wall film and that there appeared to be approximately 50 hours of film about McCain. Brown, who was in Hanoi secretly working for the DIA under the code name "Druid Smoke" succeeded in smuggling nearly 4,500 photographs out of Hanoi by buying them from Communist officials with money supplied by the DIA. The photos, most of which had never been seen by the U.S. government, were taken during the Vietnam War and depicted, Americans killed in the war and the wreckage of many U.S. aircraft. To avoid embarrassing the communists, USG officials declared the release of Brown's black market photographs "important progress" and "unprecedented cooperation" toward resolving the POW/MIA issue and publicly thanked the Vietnamese for their cooperation. Garnett Bell, a 30 year employee of DOD and former chief of the U.S. office for POW/MIA Affairs in Hanoi, told the U.S. Veteran Dispatch that he had actually seen some film footage of McCain taken by the Vietnamese when McCain did not know he was being filmed. Last month the United Press International (UPI) quoted the Cambodian Khmer Rouge accusing McCain of being a "Vietnamese Agent." "Who is John McCain?" the rebel group asked rhetorically in a radio broad-case monitored in Bangkok. "He is Vietnamese. He has a Vietnamese wife and Vietnamese children. He is an American by nationality, but he is a Vietnamese agent..." McCain the collaboratorFrom the first days of McCain's captivity, he seriously violated the Military Code of Conduct, which outlines the basic responsibilities and obligations of members of the Armed Forces of the United States who have been captured by the enemy. According to documentation obtained by the U.S. Veteran Dispatch, not only did POW McCain promise to give the communists "military information" in exchange for special hospital care not ordinarily available to U.S. prisoners, but he also made numerous anti-war radio broadcasts. Article V of the Code of Conduct is very specific in declaring that U.S. military personnel are required to avoid answering questions to the utmost of their ability and to make no oral or written statements disloyal to the United States and its allies or harmful to their cause. Any violation of this code is considered collaborating with the enemy. The following is McCain's own admission of collaboration in an article he wrote, printed May 14, 1973 in U.S. News and World Report:"I think it was on the fourth day [after being shot down] that two guards came in, instead of one. One of them pulled back the blanket to show the other guard my injury. I looked at my knee. It was about the size, shape and color of a football. I remembered that when I was a flying instructor a fellow had ejected from his plane and broken his thigh. He had gone into shock, the blood had pooled in his leg, and he died, which came as quite a surprise to us - a man dying of a broken leg. Then I realized that a very similar thing was happening to me. "When I saw it, I said to the guard, `O.K., get the officer.'" "An officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to know very well as "The Bug." He was a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, `O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.'"The Admiral's son gets "special treatment"McCain claims it was only a coincidence that, about the same time he was begging to be taken to a hospital, the Vietnamese learned his father was Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., commander of all U.S. forces in Europe and soon-to-be commander of all U.S. forces in the Pacific, including Vietnam. McCain does concede he survived because the Vietnamese learned who his father was, rushing him to a hospital where his wounds were eagerly treated. The former POW admitted in the U.S. News and World Report article that the Vietnamese usually left other U.S. prisoners with similar wounds to die, not wishing to waste medication on them. McCain pointed out "there were hardly any amputees among the prisoners who came back because the North Vietnamese just would not give medical treatment to someone who was badly injured. They weren't going to waste their time." McCain has failed to mention what he has confided to another U.S. prisoner that since the Vietnamese felt they had in their hands such a "special prisoner" and propaganda bonanza, a Soviet surgeon was called in to treat him. The communists figured that because POW McCain's father was of such high military rank, McCain was of royalty or the governing circle. They bragged that they had captured "the crown prince." His communist handlers believed McCain, because he came from a "royal-family", would, when finally released, return to the United States to some important U.S. military or government job. Communist Interrogators and psychological warfare experts drooled at the thought. McCain's handlers were very much aware that he would be under great psychological pressure not to do or say anything that would tarnish the name of his famous military family. In fact, the communists considered that to be the key to eventually breaking and then "turning" their "special" prisoner, using blackmail if necessary. According to U.S. government documents, within a week of POW McCain being transferred to the Gai Lam military hospital, the Hanoi press began quoting him giving specific military information. One report dated Nov. 9, 1967 read, "The question of the correspondent, McCain answered: "My assignment in to the Oriskany, I told myself, was due to serious losses of pilots, which were sustained by this aircraft carrier (due to raids on the North Vietnamese Territory (VNA), and which necessitated replacements. From 10 to 12 pilots were transferred like me from the forest to the Oriskany. Before I was shot down, we had made several sorties. All together, I made about 23 flights over North Vietnam." In that article, McCain was further quoted describing the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships, and the order of which his attack was supposed to take place. Six weeks after McCain was shot down, he was taken from the hospital and delivered to Room No. 11 of "The Plantation" and into the hands of two other POWs, who helped further nurse him along until he was eventually able to walk by himself. Afterwards, his handlers isolated "special prisoner", McCain from other American prisoners and made him the target of intense psychological programs. © 2004 Devvy Kidd - All Rights Reserved Sign Up For Free E-Mail Alerts E-Mails are used strictly for NWVs alerts, not for sale Devvy Kidd authored the booklets, Why A Bankrupt America and Blind Loyalty, which sold close to 2,000,000 copies. Has been a guest more than 1600 times on radio shows, ran for Congress twice and is a highly sought after public speaker. Devvy is a contributing writer for www.NewsWithViews.com Devvy's web site is: http://www.devvy.com; is sponsored by El Dorado Gold; e-mail is: devvyk@earthlink.net
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Post by sometimeman on May 8, 2008 11:25:02 GMT -4
Please, Please Bubba, Please don't worry about losing your vote, just vote Ron Paul and give him that China Mans Chance!
Now Bubba The information posted above by Miss Kidd is either "right" or "wrong" but it does not agree with this: "Then enduring 5 years of captivity at the hands of a ruthless enemy".
E-mail Miss Kidd. Her Address is included in the article.
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Post by sometimeman on May 8, 2008 11:39:19 GMT -4
Patrick Briley is a Navy Viet Nam era veteran who served on a Polaris ballistic missile nuclear submarine patrol in the Pacific. His Polaris submarine patrol in far East Asia near China was historically significant and exceptionally dangerous. His Naval service was from 1968 to 1976 during the Viet Nam era. He was a battalion commander of his Naval ROTC unit and a Midshipman on board the ballistic missile submarine, SSBN 624, the Woodrow Wilson. He was chosen to serve under Admiral Rickover as a project engineer at Naval Reactors near Washington DC. Patrick Briley started research and investigation into terrorist attacks after the Oklahoma City bombing. Patrick submitted his findings concerning the OKC bombing and the 9-11 attacks in briefings to high-level staff for the Senate Judiciary and Senate and House Intelligence committees, House Speaker Dennis Hastert, and the 9-11 Commission. E-Mail: pbriley@yahoo.com BRILEY'S "TRUTH" ABOUT McCAIN IS IN THE NEXT POST
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Post by sometimeman on May 8, 2008 11:50:07 GMT -4
Patrick Briley's "Truth"
MORAL OBLIGATIONS TO STOP McCAIN
Patrick Briley February 19, 2008 NewsWithViews.com
The U.S. has had Presidential candidates and Presidents who were known criminals, prevaricators and very immoral, promiscuous men who harmed national security. John McCain is no exception. However, does the public and do Republican delegates and leaders really want to pay the same costs in the future of America for McCain that they paid in the past for nominating and helping elect illicit Presidents?
This article contains a description of many of the known crimes, moral transgressions and allegations of nuclear treason by John McCain. Some of these crimes may have been felonies and if so, would have also made McCain ineligible to be President should he have been prosecuted (as he should have been) and convicted.
The information about McCain in this article has been made available to Duncan Hunter, former Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, via the appropriate members of his Congressional staff and his national campaign director, all of who know me. Since withdrawing as a Republican Presidential nominee candidate on January 23, 2008, Duncan Hunter has campaigned for Presidential nominee candidate Mike Huckabee and has had, and continues to have, an opportunity to communicate this information about McCain to his fellow Baptist, Mike Huckabee.
Duncan Hunter, as a Republican leader and a Christian, has a moral obligation, responsibility and civic duty, and as an act of conscience to ask Mike Huckabee to publicly ask his delegates not to vote to nominate McCain and to publicly tell them why. Regardless of what Huckabee may or may not do, Duncan Hunter’s conscience as a Christian should also tell him that he also has a moral responsibility before God to tell the public and the Republican party (and his one delegate) not to vote for McCain for the nomination and Presidency and WHY.
The Republican delegates and Party must be told by Huckabee and/or Hunter what they know about McCain and why Republicans need to nominate someone else besides McCain as the Republican Presidential candidate. God WILL HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE AND IN JUDGMENT if they do not tell the public and the delegates this in an effort to save America, lives and souls. They are modern day Christian Jonahs that God has given the opportunity to tell America the truth. They really do not want to be figuratively “swallowed by a whale” or no longer be used by God for not more directly and firmly warning America and the Republicans about what they know about John McCain.
If Hunter and/or Huckabee are not willing as Christian, Baptist leaders to take the risk of paying a political price for telling the truth about McCain and standing for Godly Christian values and principles when they know to do so, they risk losing their souls, having their consciences seared, and having the “Son of man being ashamed of them” when he returns. See Mark 8:34-38. If Hunter and Huckabee do not act NOW decisively against McCain, they also risk losing the respect of their fellow countrymen and Christians for not standing in the breech when it was needed most.
The article, "Influence peddling claims dog McCain, describes McCain’s criminal corruption while on the Senate Commerce Committee for which McCain should have been removed from office and prosecuted. During the time this was going on, McCain was receiving large contributions to his Reform Institute from socialists George Soros and Teresa Kerry:
“In 1999, McCain refused to recuse himself when the Commerce Committee gave legislative oversight approval for mergers then before the Federal Communications Commission involving two communications companies that were Davis, Manafort & Freeman lobbying clients – COMSTAT Corp., a government-owned satellite company, and SBC communications, a Baby Bell phone company.
“But in between the two separate $100,000 contributions Cablevision made to the Reform Institute, McCain, then chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, wrote a letter to the Federal Communications Commission supporting Cablevision's desire to continue packaging customer TV programming in a manner more profitable to Cablevision."
“In 2005, after the Associated Press exposed McCain's apparent conflict of interest in the Cablevision case, McCain resigned as Reform Institute chair.“
But another offense for which McCain should be in prison is the fact McCain helped criminally loot the S&Ls of 100’s of billions of dollars for himself and 4 other U.S. Senators (Charles Keating 5) as well as his buddy, former US Senator Jake Garn, who knowingly legalized the looting with the Garn-St.Germain law. McCain should be in prison today for this and the public should be reminded of it. McCain in effect has solicited bribes to wield his influence in these scandals.
Former CIA officer Phillip Giraldi has linked John McCain with corrupt senior U.S. officials who criminally helped proliferate U.S. nuclear technology to Islamic nations according to this February 4, 2008 article,"Why Sibel Edmonds Must be heard:"
“Many of the officials involved are apparently the same neoconservatives who cooked the books to enable the rush to war against Iraq and who are continuing to urge more wars in the Middle East, most notably against Iran and Syria. Several of them are close allies of leading Republican presidential candidate JOHN MCCAIN.”
On February 18, 2008, The Dallas Morning News publicly called for a formal and full blown investigation of the matter:
"…Congress and the Justice Department should have no higher priority. Nothing deserves more attention than the possibility of ongoing national- security failures and the proliferation of nuclear weapons with the connivance of corrupt senior government officials.”
The above story constitutes another serious corruption and criminality allegation, this time an allegation of treason, involving McCain and affecting national security that deserves a full investigation BEFORE McCain is nominated or is elected.
McCain and former Senator Jake Garn also directly conspired against American MIA/POWs (in North Korean, China, Russia, Laos, North Vietnam) and their families from 1988 to 1992. McCain intentionally used his position as a Senator on the Senate Armed Services Committee to stymie investigations and to block information going to the public about known POWs that were intentionally but falsely listed as MIAs to hide what was known about them and to avoid accountability for not trying to recover them.
I have first hand witnesses who know of McCain (via WSJ author and world renowned POW/MIA expert Bill Paul) conspiring with Senator Garn to conceal information about known POWs while McCain was at DIA, then in the House and then as Senator on the Senate Armed Services Committee (while still covering up for DIA as a Senator according to Bill Paul), and the Senate Subcommittee POW Hearings by Kerry and McCain in 1992. During testimony before the Kerry subcommittee about American POWs left behind in North Korea, McCain walked out of the hearings but not before demeaning, castigating the expert witnesses.
NSA officers responsible for handling intercepted and other intelligence traffic in SE Asia (Laos, North Vietnam, Cambodia, etc) during the time of McCain's captivity are in the process of preparing to reveal what they know of McCain’s confessions and his radio broadcasts from North Viet Nam condemning the US and his collaborating with the North Vietnamese and Cubans to the detriment of fellow POW members. Another intelligence officer, Jack McLamb, has recently already made similar assertions known publicly. You can now read a declassified transcript of McCain’s Confession Speech to the North Vietnamese Broadcast by Radio & Praising them for His Treatment.
A former NSA officer says "he does not know of ANY people in US intelligence that he knows (he knows many) that do not believe McCain collaborated with the North Vietnamese and was not a TRAITOR to the U.S." This is a quote that I was asked to write down.
There is very strong suspicion McCain tried to hide POW information from the public and POW/MIA families because McCain did not want to draw attention to his collaboration with the North Vietnamese and the betrayals of some fellow POWS and MIAs.
McCain molested a MIA's wife (that many POW/MIA families know personally) in the mid 1980s while McCain’s second wife, Cindy, was giving birth to one of their children. McCain has publicly admitted to having extra martial affairs during his first marriage. John McCain’s biographer Robert Timberg has listed and documented McCain's sexual affairs with his military subordinates when he was an Executive Officer and as a Squadron Commander.
In 2000, McCain attacked Christian leaders, calling them "agents of intolerance." The pro-abortion Republicans for Choice Political Action Committee have endorsed McCain.
McCain’s claims of wanting to nominate ”conservative” Supreme Court judges ring hollow when one considers the fact that McCain worked closely with Democrats (the “Gang of 14”) to block confirming conservative, strict constructionist judges.
John McCain co-sponsored a bill with Ted Kennedy to given amnesty to illegal aliens. McCain has never spoken out against the intentional non-enforcement of illegal immigration laws, a violation of the law in itself. In fact he voted to send social security monies to illegal aliens. McCain’s Hispanic Outreach Director, Juan Hernandez, is well known for his "Mexico First" declarations.
McCain co-authored the McCain/Feingold campaign finance bill that was ruled to be an UNCONSTITUTIONAL infringement of the First Amendment.
A man like John McCain who publicly praises Islam and publicly says he could vote for a Muslim US President, would help arm Muslim terrorists and take their campaign dollars because he already has.
John McCain helped armed Kosovo Islamic terrorists. In gratitude the Albanians collected one million dollars for the McCain’s presidential campaign.
McCain also backed Bosnian Muslim terrorists and the Clinton plan to use the CIA, AlAaeda, AlQaeda leader Dr Ayman Zawahiri, and Iran to train them and later bring some of them to the US and Salt Lake City.
John McCain has betrayed his two wives, POWs and MIAs, the US Constitution, his fellow Republicans. He has committed crimes that amount to felonious kickbacks and bribes for which he should be in prison. If former CIA officer Phillip Giraldi’s assertions are true, then McCain may also have engaged in another felony, treason, for criminally helping proliferate US nuclear technology to Islamic nations.
If McCain had been prosecuted and convicted for any of his felonious crimes, McCain would not be eligible to be President.
McCain’s statements and actions have also aided and abetted enemies of the United States, Islamic terrorists and illegal immigrants (some affiliated with Islamic terrorists and Communist Chinese) inside the US.
McCain is a preeminent and immediate threat to the national security and sovereignty of the Untied States.
God has given the American people the responsibility of selecting just and moral leaders who will uphold the laws to protect the public, who will not accept or solicit bribes nor commit acts of treason against their country.
American citizens and their leaders have a voice in the selection and direction of their leaders by voting and by their exercise of freedom of speech. God will hold both informed Christian leaders, even Duncan Hunter and Mike Huckabee, and the citizens themselves accountable for what they say and do to maintain good government, to support only righteous, moral and law abiding leaders, and to reject and/or even remove unrighteous, immoral and criminal leaders. Americans cannot rely on Divine protection from their enemies if they chose to select and follow immoral, corrupt and evil leaders like John McCain.
© 2008 Patrick Briley - All Rights Reserved
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Post by sometimeman on May 8, 2008 23:12:30 GMT -4
Thanks Bubba. I don't agree with you but I like the level of your response, and I respect you for it.
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Post by sometimeman on May 16, 2008 21:40:01 GMT -4
Wife of POW Navy Pilot, Who Had Husband's Remains Sent Home By North Vietnamese in 1989, Was Lied to by U.S. Officials For Years About His Whereabouts And POW Status Diane Van Renselaar says she still hasn't gotten the truth about her husband from the military and lawmakers, i ncluding Sen. John McCain who she claims is 'no friend' of POW families and has backstabbed them every step of the way toward getting at the truth.31 Oct 2005 By Greg Szymanski The remains of captured Navy pilot, Larry Van Renselaar, came home in a body bag, sent back by the North Vietnamese in 1989, after his wife put up a 20 year fight against a corrupt U.S. government, concealing her husband's whereabouts as a POW for political expediency reasons. Instead of telling Diane Van Rensaleer her husband was alive and in a slave labor camp, the lying contingent of morally irreprehensible politicians and military brass concealed his status, closing the official book on the pilot in 1978 even though credible CIA intelligence information revealed he was still alive in 1987, two years before he arrived home in a body bag. "Larry was shot down on September 30, 1968. They closed his case in 1978. In fact, John McCain, who is a very dangerous and violent man, was the driving force behind closing all the POW files, classifying records in order to keep the truth from the families and the American people," said Van Rensaleer this week from her home in Corte Madera, California. "McCain is even more dangerous than Bush. I don't want to see this man ever become President and that's why I want this story out because he is one of the biggest liars in our government and, by no means, a friend of the POW families. "After backstabbing all of us, hiding the truth about the POW story, I wish they would have kept him in a prison camp for life like so many others who didn't have his military and political clout. If they lied to us about this, just think about the lies spread about 9/11 and the present-day war in Iraq?" Van Renselaar's story is just another in a growing number of cases, showing the deceit, deception and outright lies advanced by the Pentagon, Congress and the Executive towards POW family members seeking the truth about their loved ones, The cold, hard facts, said Rensaleer's wife, is the U.S. government has left thousands of prisoners left behind, telling family members they were "missing, presumed dead" when high-ranking scoundrel-Senators John Kerry and McCain continue to advance government lies started after World War II by then President Eisenhower. Van Rensalaar, a leading activist for more than 30 years in bringing home POW's who still may be alive in North Korea and Vietnam, started the search for the POW truth after her husband was taken prisoner, but over the years the story has grown wings larger than expected, revealing government corruption and lies at the highest levels, including Kerry, McCain, former President George H. Bush and many others. Her long and difficult quest of searching for the truth has opened up so many cans of political worms, most high-ranking officials like McCain and "Daddy Bush" run and hide when they see her face in the halls of government. Perhaps it's guilt, knowing the real truth or wanting to save their political hides, but without question these high-ranking, two-faced politicians want nothing to do with the likes of Renselaar, once being on the board of directors of the National League of POW/MIA Families. "In 1992, when George H. Bush was giving a political speech with many of the POW families gathered in a large hotel ballroom trying to get answers, I said straight to his face: 'we can help you get elected if you just tell us the truth about the POW's,'" said Van Renselaar, who added Bush basically ignored her request, but had his jaw drop to the floor when she mentioned the name of Lt. Col. William Atkins, a man who told her many sordid things about Bush, including his involvement with the Iran-Contra scandal when Col. Atkins acted as an intermediary between Bush and Oliver North. "When I told him, again straight to his face, that 'you know Col. Atkins briefed you about many things, including the truth of the POW's,' he look at me with wide-open eyes, saying nothing, but his jaw literally dropped to the floor. "I talked to Col. Atkins many times about CIA files he had uncovered with Oliver North about John McCain, telling the real truth about McCain's POW captivity. Also, Atkins told me he was a liaison between Bush and North, the pair traveling on Irish passports during Iran-Contra. The Iran-Contra Affair, also known as "Irangate", took place in the mid-1980s. A political scandal of wide-ranging proportions where President Ronald Reagan's administration sold arms to Iran, an avowed enemy. At the time, Americans were being held hostage by Islamic terrorists in Lebanon, and it was hoped that Iran would influence the terrorists to release the hostages. At the same time, Iran, which was in the midst of the Iran-Iraq War, could find few nations willing to supply it with weapons. The U.S. diverted proceeds from the sale to the Contras, anti-Communist guerrillas engaged in an insurgency against the socialist, democratically elected Sandinista government of Nicaragua. Both the sale of weapons and the funding of the Contras violated stated administration policy as well as legislation passed by the Democratic-controlled Congress, which had blocked further Contra funding. Col. Atkins, who became a friend and close confident of Van Renselaar and other POW family members, was arrested in 1992 for his involvement in the Iran-Contra scandal, a twist of fate she said preventing him from testifying about the real truth about McCain and the POW lies advanced by lawmakers and the military. "I know for a fact Sen. Bob Smith, who was trying to help us get at the truth in the Senate hearings on the POW issue, never got a chance to depose Col Atkins since he was arrested and then jailed for years over Iran-Contra," said Van Renselaar, adding it "was very strange" how Atkins was left to rot in a District of Columbia jail system until at least 1999. "They didn't want him to talk about a lot of things, but he talked to me about McCain's CIA file and many things the senator wants kept from the American people. "People need to know the truth about McCain. He sealed his own records, as well the records of all POW's, so he could continue lying about his POW experience. He was never tortured, never in a dog-cell like the other prisoners and never deprived of food. In fact, Col. Atkins, who died in 2001 of a cerebral hemorrhage, told Renselaar that when he and North acquired McCain's CIA file it showed he was out of the system for at least two years, being in an eastern European country instead of being in solitary confinement in a Vietnam jail cell like he has told the public. To verify Atkins' claim, Van Renselaar said she has talked to several Vietnam POW's in the same camp McCain was s held, including Larry Larson, who told her "without a doubt I didn't see McCain for at least a year." Further, she added John Parcels, a former helicopter pilot, and his wife, Patty, who visited Vietnam after the war, said they were taken on a tour by the North Vietnamese, who showed-off with pride the 'plush cell' in which McCain was held as well as the memorial in his honor put up by the banks of Lake Hanoi. "Why have the North Vietnamese honored him? What did McCain tell them and how was he really treated?" questioned Van Renselaar, adding Parcels said McCain's prison cell was of a much higher standard then the other dog-cells prisoners were given. "They gave him special treatment and it is documented he was even out of the country for two years instead of being in solitary confinement. He is lying about what happened and that is why he had his own POW records sealed for life. He was never tortured, never deprived of food and I've even learned he may even have fathered two children after having an affair with his Vietnamese nurse. "According to my very credible Vietnamese contacts he had an affair with the sister of Nguyen Tan Thanh, a high-placed North Vietnamese official. Since they knew McCain was the son of A Navy Admiral, he was given a special nurse, Tan's sister. I've been told he fathered two sons with her, one attending the University Of Colorado, Up until now, though, we haven't been able to get their names." Besides what Renselaar calls McCain's "pack of POW lies" about his real record of captivity, she recalls her husband saying McCain was not well-like by him or other pilots when they were under his direction before the Vietnam War when McCain was an operation's officer at a Meridian, Miss., flight-training center.
"I remember my husband saying he was not well-liked and thought of as a hot dog and a punk," said Van Renselaar. "And nothing has changed over the years.
Once when POW families were outside his Senate office on Capital Hill demanding answers, he pushed his way through the crowd in a violent manner refusing to answer questions, almost knocking a POW supporter over in her wheel chair."And last week to keep Renselaar's fight alive, as well as the entire POW issue, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex.) has now taken up the cause on Capital Hill to get the truth out about the thousands of living POW's still incarcerated in political prisons around the world. Last Friday, Rep. Paul held a press conference to revive the issue, officially sending to each legislator on Capital Hill a copy of an historic video called "Missing, Presumed Dead: The Search for American POW's," in an attempt to open new hearings, being introduced under House Resolution 123. House Resolution 123 seeks to force Congress to investigate "all the unresolved matters relating to any United States personnel unaccounted for from the Vietnam era, the Korean conflict, WW II, the Cold War missions and the Gulf Wars, including all issues regarding MIA's and POW's. www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/31-oct-2005.html
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Post by sometimeman on May 16, 2008 22:30:36 GMT -4
Does Colonel David Hackworth have Creditability?
By David H. Hackworth
John McCain is being hailed by the press as a "genuine war hero." But is he a war hero in the conventional sense like Audie Murphy and John Glenn?
Or is his "war hero" status the creation of a very slick publicity campaign that plays on flag, duty, honor and country?
For sure, McCain has the fruitsalad a Silver Star, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service gongs.
On a purely medal count basis, he outweighs Murphy and Glenn, who both for years repeatedly performed extraordinary deeds on the ground or in the air against an armed enemy.
McCain's valor awards are based on what happened in 1967, when during his 23d mission over Vietnam, he was shot down, seriously injured, captured and then spent 5 1/2 brutal years as a POW.
In an attempt to find out exactly what the man did to earn these many hero awards, I asked his Senate office three times to provide copies of the narratives for each medal. I'm still waiting.
I next went to the Pentagon. Within a week, I received a recap of his medals and many of the narratives that give the details of what he did.
None of the awards, less the DFC, were for heroism over the battlefield where he spent no more than 20 hours. Two Naval officers described the awards as "boilerplate" and "part of an SOP medal package given to repatriated (Vietnam era) POWs."
McCain's Silver Star narrative for the period 27 October 1967 the day after he was shot down to 8 December 1968 reads: "His captors… subjected him to extreme mental and physical cruelties in an attempt to obtain military information and false confessions for propaganda purposes. Through his resistance to those brutalities, he contributed significantly towards the eventual abandonment…" of such harsh treatment by the North Vietnamese.
Yet in McCain's own words just four days after being captured, he admits he violated the U.S. Code of Conduct by telling his captors "O.K, I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."
A Vietnam vet detractor says, "He received the nation's third highest award, the Silver Star, for treason. He provided aid and comfort to the enemy!"
The rest of his valor awards issued automatically every year while he was a POW read much like the Silver Star. More boilerplate often repeating the exact same words. An example: "By his heroic endeavors, exceptional skill, and devotion to duty, he reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the Naval Service and the United States Armed Forces."
Yet McCain's conduct while a POW negates these glowing comments. The facts are that he signed a confession and declared himself a "black criminal who performed deeds of an air pirate." This statement and other interviews he gave to the Communist press press were used as propaganda to fan the flames of the antiwar movement.
Accounts by McCain and other writers tell of the horror he endured: relentlessly beatings, torture, broken limbs. All inflicted during savage interrogations. Yet no other POW was a witness to these accounts. A former POW says "No man witnessed another man during interrogations… We relied on each other to tell the truth when a man was returned to his cell."
The U.S. Navy says two eyewitnesses are required for any award of heroism. But for the valor awards McCain received, there are no eyewitnesses, less himself and his captors. And they're not talking.
Our POWs in Vietnam were treated appallingly. The Viets would either break a POW or kill him. POWs provided info beyond name, rank and serial number or they didn't come back.
Based on these stalwart men's horrific experiences, the Code of Conduct has been changed. A POW says, "Now the training is to give them something… don't risk permanent damage to health, mind or body."
McCain refused an early release. An act of valor? Three former POWs told me he was ordered to turn it down by his U.S. POW commander and he "just followed orders."
McCain certainly doesn't appear to be a war hero by conventional standards, but rather a tough survivor whose handlers are overplaying the war hero card.
David H. Hackworth died in June 2005, he was a much-decorated and highly unconventional former career Army officer who became a combat legend in Vietnam. Col. Hackworth received 78 combat awards — including a Distinguished Service Cross, a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and eight Purple Hearts — during his 25-year military career which spanned the Korean and Vietnam wars..
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Post by sometimeman on May 16, 2008 22:34:28 GMT -4
The beef is my grand children's future and my dead brother's honor. but, I desire your understanding and good will
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Post by manape on May 16, 2008 23:32:12 GMT -4
The Economy: America in January 2013
After four years of a McCain administration, the economy is stronger, Americans once again have confidence in their economic future and businesses are empowered to thrive. In 2013:
The economy is growing and Americans again have confidence in their economic future. Congress has lowered taxes and passed fundamental tax reform offering a choice in how taxes are filed.
The spending binge in Washington has ended. After John McCain exercises his veto pen in his first year in office, Congress has not passed an appropriations bill containing earmarks for the last three years. A top to bottom review of government and reforms yield great reductions in spending.
New trade agreements have been ratified leading to substantial increases in exports.
Americans who have lost jobs in the global economy are assisted by reformed unemployment insurance and worker retraining programs.
Public education is much improved due to measures that lead to increased competition, higher quality teachers, a revolution in teaching methods, higher graduation rates and higher test scores.
Health care is more accessible to more Americans than at any other time in history.
Medicare's solvency has been extended and both parties have worked together to fix Social Security without reducing benefits to those near retirement.
The United States is on its way to independence from foreign sources of oil with a cap-and- trade system spurring innovation, advancement in clean coal technology and the beginning of construction on 20 new nuclear reactors.
Vote NO to Hellery! Vote NO to "O". Vote YES to McCain..
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Post by sometimeman on May 17, 2008 8:00:16 GMT -4
Does McCain serve Bush's God?
The Burning Bush:The President’s Religious Zeal May 15, 2008
“And he began to speak to them in parables: A certain man planted a vineyard and made a wall about it, and dug a wine-press and built a tower in it, and then let it out to some vine-dressers while he went on his travels. And when the season came, he sent one of his servants on an errand to the vine-dressers to claim from them the revenue of his vineyard. Whereupon they took him and beat him and sent him away empty-handed.
Then he sent another servant on a second errand to them and he too they beat over the head and used him outrageously. He sent another, whom they killed; and many others, whom they beat or killed at their pleasure. He had still one messenger left, his own well-beloved son; him he sent to them last of all;
They will have reverence, he said, for my son. But the vine-dressers said among themselves, this is the heir, come, let us kill him, and then his inheritance will be ours. So they took him and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.”
The above words were spoken by Jesus of Nazareth to a gathering of chief priests, scribes, and elders in the temple in Jerusalem some two thousand years ago. We are told that upon hearing these words, the gathering of Jewish leaders sought to lay their hands on Jesus but were prevented because they feared the multitude.
Today the Knesset, the Israeli Parliament, reacted differently when they were addressed by President George W. Bush. This modern, but no less sinister, assembly of Jews did not try to apprehend or stone him. No cries of “Crucify him!” were heard echoing through the chambers of Israeli government. Instead, hands were raised in exultation and applause at the conclusion of a speech delivered by an ardent Christian. A speech containing statements like:
“We gather to mark a momentous occasion. Sixty years ago in Tel Aviv, David Ben-Gurion proclaimed Israel’s independence, founded on the ‘natural right of the Jewish people to be masters of their own fate.’ What followed was more than the establishment of a new country. It was the redemption of an ancient promise given to Abraham and Moses and David — a homeland for the chosen people Eretz Y’Israel.”
His speech was well seasoned with religious and biblical terms. It was salted with no less than half-a-dozen references to God . And, of course, no discourse to the Chosen People would be complete without a peppering of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Perhaps a dash of Moses and a pinch of David for good measure. But where is God the Father? Where is HIs Son, Jesus? No mention of the Man/God Who the President believes to be his Savior? No acknowledgment of the Man/God Who put the “Holy” in Holy Land?
What is the president’s religion? Who is his God? The religion of the President, like most forms of American Christianity, is firmly built upon a fixation with the “Chosen People” and a tendency to identify with them. In another quote from his speech,
“The alliance between our governments is unbreakable, yet the source of our friendship runs deeper than any treaty. It is grounded in the shared spirit of our people, the bonds of the Book, the ties of the soul.
When William Bradford stepped off the Mayflower in 1620, he quoted the words of Jeremiah: ‘Come let us declare in Zion the word of God.’ The founders of my country saw a new promised land and bestowed upon their towns names like Bethlehem and New Canaan. And in time, many Americans became passionate advocates for a Jewish state.”
The Puritans and other nonconforming religious groups were fleeing, as they saw it, from the Babylon of Popery or the unjust Pharaoh of the Church of England.
The deity of the most famous sermon in American Christianity, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God by Jonathan Edwards, resembles the wrathful God of Abraham more than the gentle, merciful God of the “Our Father”. American geopolitical ideals such as “Manifest Destiny” , which displaced the Native American, again find their source in the activities of the “Chosen People”. If it was good enough for them, then it is good enough for us.
In a passage meant to tear at the hearts of Christians everywhere, he says, “No one who prays to the God of Abraham could strap a suicide vest to an innocent child, or blow up guiltless guests at a Passover Seder, or fly planes into office buildings filled with unsuspecting workers. In truth, the men who carry out these savage acts serve no higher goal than their own desire for power. They accept no God before themselves.”
This constant stream of religious rhetoric is a bedeviling charade. It dazzles the simple into thinking that this man and his audience is God-fearing and just. But his God and the God of his audience is not the Father of the Son. His is not our God.
No one who prays to God, the Father of Jesus could drive an entire people out of their homeland and leave them to live in poverty, squalor, and filth, a veritable cloaca, for 60 years.
No one who prays to the God of the “Our Father” can choose Barabbas over Jesus.
No one who prays to God, Father of His Son, Jesus , can cry out, “Crucify Him!”
The hired help in the vineyard has received Bush with open arms and he is being feted where the servants, stewards, and Heir of the Master were killed.
Jesus said, “The servant is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you: if they have kept my word, they will keep yours also. If they hate me, they hate my Father also”.
Who is your master, Mr. Bush? What is his name?
‘MW’
Bubba some folks serve "other gods"
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