9/11 Terrorist act or gov't conspiracy?

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I honestly don't know what to think at this point. It's hard to understand why our government would do a thing like that but our government has done so many dishonest things (at all levels) that it wouldn't really surprise me.

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5481842742632193840

"9/11 The Explosive Reality" Watch this when you have plenty of time because it is almost 2 hours long. I've only watched the first few minutes of it and it's got me intrigued.

[sometimeman]

Short, This is a dangerous subject. It is worse than religion or politics.

BUT, if by government you mean, the real organizations, groups and individuals that actually control things, then yes they arranged for it to be done. Short, the chemical, physical and logical evidence says airplanes did not make the buildings collapse. The airplanes fuel was JP4 which is about the same as kerosene. This stuff just don't burn hot enough to melt steel. Yet there were great mases of melted metal pouring out the side of the buildings before their collapse. Spectrographical analysis indicates ferrite.

The buildings came down at free fall speed. Building 7 came down just like the other two and ---IT WAS NOT STRUCK BY A PLANE!

Just get a couple pieces of re bar and as much diesel, kerosene or gasoline as you want to and try and melt it. The fuel just doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel and you cant make it do it!
I work with steel. I cut with an oxygen/acetylene flame. This is the hottest flame on the planet. It burns at almost 6,000 degrees Fahrenheit. I weld with an electric arc. It is hotter than the surface of the sun. It's about 11,000 degrees Fahrenheit.

The reason WHY it was done is so we, the American people, would support going to war. A war whose purpose was to gain control of middle east oil. This we have so far failed to do. The reason we NEED to control the oil is to prevent the collapse of the dollar. The dollar is not supported by gold or silver and it is no longer supported by oil. Which is why we are hell after Iran- The recent B-52 with cruise missiles and atomic warheads and the massive cover up of lies to explain it is related to this situation.

The United States is Bankrupt. Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke is printing money with nothing to back it. The dollar is falling in relation to other currency. Massive inflation is going to occur. My money in relation to what it will buy outside the U.S. will buy 20% less than it would 3 months agao

Massive civil unrest will occur. There will be a union of church and state. The church/state will persecute those who don't support their definition of "God" They will not be allowed to buy and sell. Their houses and goods will be confiscated. They will be sentenced to death.

The creator God, The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob will put a stop to it.

[sometimeman]

110 Military, Intel, Police, 760 Professionals Question 911
Go here - look - read - pray - understand
patriotsquestion911.com/

Short, there are people, many people, with credentials. People with credibility. People who ought to know what they are talking about, that agree with you and me. How does that make you feel? Are you still confused? Do you wish it were not so? Do you wish others would believe?

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I'm not agreeing yet sometimeman, I'm not sure just what to believe yet.

[sometimeman]

It's OK Short, Just take your time and read Look at the credentials of the person. There is plenty of stuff to read, video clips. There is an avalanche of information. Your brain can discern what is truth if God guides you.

[sometimeman]

What ever Happened to Donald Rumsfield?

[sometimeman]

Go ahead, call him a liar, question his credentials, say he's a nut! He's none of those. He is an honest patriotic American! He can honestly say he knows the difference between chicken sh*t and chicken salad!
Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Retired U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions flown. 20-year Marine Corps career.

* Letter to the Editor 2/5/07: Regarding 9/11 "Our government has been hijacked by means of a "new Pearl Harbor" and a lot of otherwise good and decent people who are gullible enough to think that the first three steel-framed buildings in history fall down because they have some fires that the fire fighter on the scene said could be knocked down with a couple of hoses and through which people walked before they were photographed looking out the holes where the plane hit . One of these - bldg 7, was never hit by a plane and even NIST is ashamed to advance a reason for its collapse. And, miracle of miracles, these three buildings just happened to be leased and insured by the same guy who is on tape saying they decided to "PULL" the last one to fall." michigandaily.com

[Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories, and was not hit by an airplane. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.]


* Statement to this website 2/20/07: "This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's about our country, our constitution, and our future. ...

Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.

If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful, or ... to check into the facts yourself, what does that make you? Scholars for 9/11 truth have developed reams of scientific data. Michael Ruppert published an exhaustive account of the case from the viewpoint of a trained investigator. David Ray Griffin provides a context for the unanswered or badly answered questions that should nag at anyone who pretends to love this country.

Are you afraid that you will learn the truth and you can't handle it? ...

Do a little research. Google is a wonderful tool.

What does it all add up to? The Commission was, as was the Warren Commission before it, a dog and pony show ... " Link to full statement patriotsquestion911.com/

[sometimeman]

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6529813972926262623

There are several movies at this link. If your connect speed won't let you view them, It will be worth your time to visit the library or some place with a good connect speed and see what the conventional media suppresses. The world is full of Norm Coopers!

[sometimeman]

FLASHBACK: Israelis Inadvertently Admit Complicity in 9/11 Attacks

For those who do not already know, on the morning of September 11, 2001, a New Jersey housewife by the name of “Maria,” observed five suspicious men in her apartment complex. The five young men were filming the burning WTC towers, jumping up and down, cheering, and high-fiving each other. They were also lighting their lighters and holding them up in the air, as if at a rock concert. While the rest of the country was in a state of shock and tears, these five Israelis were clearly celebrating our nation’s greatest at-home tragedy. Maria called the police.

The police stopped the van the five Israelis (Mossad agents) were traveling in and found $4,700 in cash, fake IDs and passports, and boxcutters. One of the five Israelis said to the police officer (as reported by Barbara Walters): “We are not your problem. We are Israelis. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem.”
Posted Nov 28, 2007 08:41 PM PST
Category: 911

The real question remains; did their video tape show the FIRST impact. If it did, then without question they had advance knowledge of what was to happen.

But we cannot know, because the UNITED STATE GOVERNMENT HAS CLASSIFIED THAT VIDEO TAPE.

"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information." -- US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring and its connections to 9-11.

joannafrancis.wordpress.com/2006/09/23/israelis-inadvertently-admit-complicity-in-911-attacks/

[sometimeman]

Former President of Italy: 9/11 was an Inside Job
On November 30th, the former President of Italy, Francesco Cossiga, wrote in Italy's largest newspaper:
[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to the two towers in New York [claiming to be] the author of the attack of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe ... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq [and] Afghanistan.
The above is a rough translation using Babelfish. Someone who speaks fluent Italian will be able produce a much more accurate translation.

[sometimeman]

December 4, 2007 at 11:20:30

Eight Senior Republican Appointees Challenge Official Account of 9/11 - "Not Possible", "a Whitewash", "False"

www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_071202_seven_senior_republi.htm

[sometimeman]

PEARL HARBOR, PROVES 9-11 FRAUD
It is crucially important to establish who Robert Stinnett is. In the early years after the devastating attack on Pearl Harbor, through one utterly phony “investigation” after another, Roosevelt’s Socialist idolaters swore up and down that he had known absolutely nothing about it. The possibilities that he knew it was coming and did nothing, or, even worse, that he conspired to arrange it, were labeled psychotic fantasies only a psychiatrist could call serious.

All these years later, however, so much slime has oozed forth that Roosevelt worshippers now stand up to their eyeballs in it. They can’t deny it. So, now they take a totally different position, a diametrically different position. Now they say, yes, Roosevelt knew about it, he even arranged it, because the American people at the time were too dumb to know they needed to be in the war – they needed a big enough shock to trick them into it – so Roosevelt arranged it for our own good.
Posted Dec 16, 2007 09:32 AM PST
Category: 911

Would our government sponsor a program to deny effective treatment for a disease when medicine was available to cure it?
Would our government arrange for doctors to fail to treat certain individuals and allow the disease to progress in them?
Would our government use humans as guinea pigs to experiment on?
Yes they would! Yes they did! Yes they got caught. Do you remember "The Tuskegee Experiment"?

Some peopel know the truth about 9-11. Others mind can't go there. The truth don't fit.

"Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, we knocked down the towers and blamed the Arabs for your own good. Yeah, yeah. Sure."

www.newswithviews.com/Stang/alan18.htm

[sometimeman]

ITALIAN SAYS 9-11 SOLVED

It’s common knowledge, he reveals, CIA, Mossad behind terror attacks

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By the Staff of American Free Press

Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, has told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies. In what translates awkwardly into English, Cossiga told the newspaper Corriere della Sera:

“All the [intelligence services] of America and Europe…know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the Mossad, with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part … in Iraq [and] Afghanistan.”

Cossiga was elected president of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide election to become president of the country in 1985, and he remained until 1992.

Cossiga’s tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment, and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio. This was a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 1960s, 1970s and ’80s. Gladio’s specialty was to carry out what they termed “false flag” operations—terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition.

In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, “You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force … the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.”

Cossiga first expressed his doubts about 9-11 in 2001, and is quoted by 9-11 researcherWebster Tarpley saying “The mastermind of the attack must have been a sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and
flight security personnel.”

Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga’s assertion that the 9-11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge among global intelligence agencies is illuminating. It is one more eye-opening confirmation that has not been mentioned by America’s propaganda machine in print or on TV. Nevertheless, because of his experience and status in the world, Cossiga cannot be discounted as a crackpot.

(Issue #52, December 24, 2007)

Not Copyrighted. Readers can reprint and are free to redistribute - as long as full credit is given to American Free Press - 645 Pennsylvania Avenue SE, Suite 100 Washington, D.C. 20003

[sometimeman]

Now I want you to think about this.
There must be a lot of crazy people. They could be divided into two groups:

1) The people that believe and write stuff like this must be crazy because perhaps, it's just a complete lie -or-
2) The people that hear about it and don't believe it must be crazy because, it is actually true but, they still can't believe it.

Now here is an opportunity for you to learn about "Cognizant Dissonance" . You see, when you read this, you will become "cognizant" of it.
And, it depends entirely on you and what's already in your brain if you get to experience the "dissonance" part.

[sometimeman]

ANY ONE KNOW ANY THING ABOUT AIR PLANES AND THE FAA



"Next is United Flight 175, tail number N612UA, which hit the South Tower
of the WTC. Please note the same details.

Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1
Aircraft Description
Serial Number 21873 Type Registration
Corporation Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date
01/18/1984 Model 767-222 Mode S Code 51773757 Year
Manufacturer 1983 Cancel Date 09/28/2005 Reason for
Cancellation Cancelled Exported To

Hmmm. What? Cancelled registration on 9/28/05? Not destroyed and
deregisterd in early 2002? What about the last flight, United Flight 93,
tail number N591UA, the one that allegedly crashed near Shanksville,
Pennsylvania.

Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1
Aircraft Description
Serial Number 28142 Type Registration
Corporation Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date
07/01/1996 Model 757-222 Mode S Code 51721341 Year
Manufacturer 1996 Cancel Date 09/28/2005 Reason for
Cancellation Cancelled Exported To

Huh? Cancelled? On the same date in 2005? Not destroyed and cancelled
in early 2002?

How can American Airlines flights show the planes destroyed and the registration cancelled, while both United flights show the planes as simply being cancelled without explanation 4 years after they allegedly were destroyed? Why?

What the heck is going on here? These are public records, accessible by everyone until their purge date is reached. That is Nov. 11, 2006 for both United flights. There is no purge date listed for the two American Airlines flights.

Why would a company keep two aircraft that had been destroyed on its active lineup for four years, and then simply list the registration as "Cancelled"?
Even the most ardent coincidence theorist is going to have to think hard to come up with some rationale for this one.

The FBI's refusal to release the serial number data contained by aircraft components collected from the 9/11 plane crash scenes has resulted in a civil lawsuit filed in federal court, seeking to obtain this information:

i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/88Badmachine88/FOIACourtCase.jp...

Per U.S. Code of Federal Regulations, all federally registered civil aircraft are to contain uniquely numbered components:

ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=db393b5df37bdcf...

The cited 11/26/2007 FAA FOIA request specifically requested the following:

"That which reveals or indicates the unique identifying information (i.e.: serial numbers, etc.), of the Flight Data Recorders (FDR's) and Cockpit Voice Recorders (CVR's) that were last contained within the following deregistered aircraft, used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001."

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The cited 12/4/2007 FAA FOIA request specifically requested the following:

"Documentation that reveals any unique identifying information (serial numbers, etc.), of the engines, landing gear or other components that may be deemed relevant."

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The federal government has released an abundance of data regarding the planes used to carry out the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks:

- All airline flight numbers.
- All alleged FAA aircraft registry data.
- All air traffic control audio recordings between ATC and said flights.
- Aircraft flight path study data for 3 of the 4 said flights that day.
- Aircraft departure times and departure locations.
- Crash times.
- Total numbers and identities of passengers who perished.
- The alleged identities of those accused of hijacking each aircraft.

However, the FBI and now the FAA, has refused to reveal aircraft component serial number data in their possessions, that would confirm the alleged federal registry identifications of the commercial civil aircraft said to have been used to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

By document labeled "Remarks of Carol Carmody Vice-Chairman, National Transportation Safety Board Leadership in Times of Crisis Seminar", it is indicated that the director of the FBI requested that the NTSB "help identify aircraft parts" belonging to the said aircraft.

www.ntsb.gov/speeches/carmody/cc020227.htm

By document labeled "Testimony of Marion C. Blakey, Chairman National Transportation Safety Board before the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation United States Senate", it is indicated that the NTSB assisted the FBI with the process of "aircraft parts identification" regarding the said aircraft.

www.ntsb.gov/Speeches/blakey/mcb020625.htm

A 12/16/2007 public correspondence e-mail inquiry of the NTSB posed the following question:

"Will the NTSB refer to recovered aircraft component serial number data, to determine the positive ID of an aircraft following a mishap, in the absence of other identifying data?"

The following e-mail response was provided by a Susan Stevenson of the NTSB on 12/26/2007:

"Yes. NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent. But during those occasions, investigators will record serial numbers of major components, and then contact the manufacturer of those components in an attempt to determine what aircraft the component was installed upon."

The above cited method of identification was apparently required to obtain the positive identifications of American Airlines flight 11 and United Airlines flight 175, which crashed into the World Trade Center towers.

By FAA documents identified as "Summary of Air Traffic Hijack Events", pages 4 and 13, it is indicated that American Airlines flight 11 (N334AA) and United Airlines flight 175 (N612UA) were not transmitting proper transponder identification data at the time of their respective destructions and that therefore, proper aircraft identification cannot have been obtained from this absent or erroneous data.

www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB165/faa7.pdf

By documents labeled "NOTES TO CHAPTER 1", page 456, of the "Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States" (2004), it is indicated that "the CVRs and FDRs from American 11 and United 175 were not found" and that therefore, proper aircraft identification cannot have been obtained from this absent data.

govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Notes.htm