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[sometimeman]

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."

Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860


Then again during a 1967 war with the Arabs, Israeli gunboats and fighter jets deliberately attacked the USS Liberty, an unarmed US communications ship. 28 Thirty five American sailors were murdered and 170 others injured in a prolonged Israeli onslaught - carried out in broad daylight and with the U.S. flag flying prominently. The intent was to kill all of the Americans and then leave the Egyptians to take the blame. Israel denied that the attack was deliberate but the chilling stories of the lucky American survivors clearly contradicts that lie. To this very day, the U.S. Congress has never investigated the USS Liberty massacre.

www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm

Rear Admiral Thomas H Moorer Was U.S. Navy Commander at the time. Sense this act his government, The United States of America. never offered any help in ANY action against the Israelis.
Contact: Eufaula Tribune: Eufaula, Alabama for stories from the Admiral's brother

[sometimeman]

THE DANCING ISRAELIS

Like most Americans, I was gripped by senses of profound shock, horror, revulsion, sadness, and rage as I watched the horror of September 11, 2001 unfolding live on my television screen. Watching the mass murder of thousands of innocent people live on television was the most upsetting experience of my life. How could any person of sound moral character not be enraged at witnessing this horrific act of barbarism? To read about some faraway, long-ago genocide in a newspaper or a book is distressing enough. But to actually witness the mass murders of what was, at first, believed to have been tens of thousands of innocent people is truly heart stopping and traumatic. I barely slept for two nights afterwards and suffered nightmares. Polling data would later reveal that 65% of Americans actually shed tears on 9-11.1

But not all of the eye-witnesses to the 9-11 slaughter were so saddened. On September 11, five Israeli army veterans were arrested by the FBI after several witnesses saw them "dancing", "high-fiving", and "celebrating" as they took pictures of the World Trade Center disaster from across the river in New Jersey. Steven Gordon was the lawyer who volunteered to represent the five Israelis. He was asked by a Hebrew newspaper why the five men were being detained by the FBI. Here’s what Gordon told Yediot America:

www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm

[sometimeman]

The FOX series and other mainstream news media sources revealed that many of these Israelis were army veterans with electronics and explosives expertise. Many of them failed lie detector tests. FBI agents told FOX that some of their past investigations were compromised because suspects had been tipped off by Israeli wiretapping specialists. It was discovered that Israeli companies such as Comverse and Amdocs have the capability to tap American telephones (great for blackmailing all those wife-cheating politicians!) FBI agents also told FOX they believed the Israelis had advance knowledge of the 9-11 attacks. (which certainly would explain why no Israelis died in the WTC) Still another US official informed FOX that some of the detained Israelis actually had links to 9-11, but he refused to describe the nature of those links. The FBI official told FOX's Carl Cameron: www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm

[sometimeman]

In January of 2001, 9 months before the 9-11 attacks, a well known economist and political figure with worldwide intelligence connections issued the following prediction:

"A new Middle East war of the general type and implications indicated, will occur if certain specified incidents materialize. It will occur only if the combination of the Israeli government and certain Anglo-American circles wish to have it occur. If they should wish it to occur, the incidents to "explain" that occurrence, will be arranged." "Contrary to widespread childish opinion, most of the important things that happen in the world, happen because powerful forces intend them to happen, not because of some so-called "sociological" or other statistical coincidence of the types reported for the popular edification of the easily deluded. A new Middle East war, bigger than any yet seen, is inevitable under presently reigning global influences. www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm

[sometimeman]

All for you Oh Wise One

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FOOTNOTES AND KEY SEARCH WORDS FOR YAHOO OR WWW.GOOGLE.COM
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1. Athens Banner-Herald December 22, 2001. Google users enter these words: university chicago poll americans cried
2. Yediot America (Israeli Newspaper), November 2, 2001. Google users enter: yediot america urban moving
3. Jewish Week. November 2, 2001. Stewart Ain. Google users enter: urban moving Israelis smiling took pictures on 9-11
4. ABC News20/20. ABCNews.com, June 21,2001.Google users enter : white van Israeli spies
5. Bergen Record (New Jersey). September 12, 2001. Paolo Lima. Google users enter: Bergen Lima five israelis
6. Eye For an Eye, By John Sack. Google users enter: john sack eye for eye
7. The Zionist Connection. By Alfred Lilienthal Google users enter: alfred lilienthal zionist
8. Fateful Triangle. By Noam Chomsky Google users enter: chomsky fateful triangle
9. Open Secrets. By Israel Shahak Google users enter: israel shahack open secrets
10.The Hidden Tyranny. By Benjamin Freedman. Google users enter: benjamin freedman
11. By Way of Deception. By Victor Ostovsky. Google users enter: victor ostovsky
12. Neturei Karta. Jews United Against Zionism. Google users enter: neturei karta jews against Zionism
13. Jewish Virtual Library of the American-Israeli co-operative enterprise. Google users enter: weizmann balfour zionist
14. Benjamin Freedman's 1955 speech. Google users enter: Benjamin Freedman speaks and also Benjamin Freedman
15. Square One: A Memoir. By Arnold Forster. Google users enter: Arnold Forster Square One....or see amazon.com
16. Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia. refer to "Balfour Declaration". Google users enter: Balfour Zionism
17. Daily Express. (England) Judea Declares War on Germany. March 24, 1933 Google users enter: Judea Declares War on Germany
18. Vladimir Jabotinsky. Mascha Rjetsch, January, 1934. Google users enter: vladimir jabotinsky and also jabotinsky mascha rjetsch
19. Beaverbrook papers. House of Lords Records Service. (England). Google users enter: beaverbrook jews position press
20. Charles Lindbergh's Speech in Iowa. September 11, 1941. Google users enter: Lindbergh Des Moines speech
21. Day of Deceit. By Robert Stinnett. Google users enter: day of deceit stinnett
22. From Adolf Hitler's last Will and Political Testament. Google users enter: Hitler my political testament
23. Britain's Small Wars. Google users enter: dressed as Arabs king david and also king david Hotel bombing
24. Deir Yassin Remembered. Google users enter: deir Yassin remembered and also deir yassin
25. The Khazaria Information Center. Google users enter: khazars
26. Victor Ostrovsky. By Way of Deception. Google users enter: mossad motto
27. The Gun and the Olive Branch. By David Hirst. Google users enter: lavon affair
28. Assault on Liberty. By James M Ennes Jr. Google users enter: ennes uss liberty
29. Ostrovsky. How How Mossad got America to bomb Libya and fight Iraq. Google users enter: ostrovsky how mossad got america
30. Ostrovsky. The Contrasting Media Treatment of Israeli and Islamic Death Threats. Google users enter: Ostrovsky death threats
31. The Washington Times. Army Study Suggests U.S. Force of 20,000. By Rowan Scarborough. September 10, 2001. Google users enter: army study suggests sams rowan scarborough
32. Ibid
33. The International Jew. By Henry Ford. Google users enter: ford international jew
34. Jewish Frontier. Lindbergh and the Jews. By Hal Derner. Google users enter: lindbergh jews press
35. They Dare to Speak Out. By Paul Findley. Google users enter: admiral moorer boggles mind
36. Senator William Fulbright on ABC's Face the Nation. Google users enter: fulbright israel controls senate
37. Patrick Buchanan on the Mclaughlin Group. Google users enter: buchanan israeli occupied territory
38. Rev. Billy Graham and Richard Nixon. CNN Google users enter: graham jewish media stranglehold
39. Who Rules America? By Dr. William Pierce. Google users enter: jewish media control
40. The Israel Lobby. By Michael Massing.The Nation Magaazine. Google users enter: massing israel lobby
41. Saudis Lash Out at 'Zionist' U.S. Critics By Marc Perelman. Jewish Forward. Google users enter: forward zionist defense policy board
42. Ari Shavit. Ha'aretz Israel, reprinted in New York Times. May 27 1996. Google users enter: sobran shavit in our hands
43. Bubba: I'd fight and Die for Israel. New York Post. .By Andy Geler. August 2, 2002. Google users enter: clinton grab a rifle fight die
44. CNN.Rabin Assassinated at Peace Rally. November 4, 1995 Google users enter: rabin assassinated
45. The Fateful Triangle. Noam Chomsky's Account of the Sabra and Shatila Massacre. Google users enter: Chomsky Sabra Shatila
46. Third former Militiaman with links to Sabra and Chatila murdered. By Robet Fisk, The Independent, March 11,2001 Google users enter: fisk former militiaman murdered
47. CNN. Israeli troops, Palestinians clash after Sharon visits Jerusalem sacred site. September 28, 2002. Google users enter: cnn after sharon visits sacred
48. India Reacts. India in anti-Taliban military plan. June 21, 2001. Google users enter: india anti taliban military plan
49. Ibid
50. Jane’s International Security News. (England) India joins anti-Taliban coalition. By Rahul Bedi. March 15, 2001 Google users enter: india joins anti-taliban coalition Rahul Bedi
51. The Telegraph. (England) Israeli security issued urgent warning to CIA of large-scale terror attacks. By David Wastell in Washington and Philip Jacobson in Jerusalem. September 16, 2001. Google users enter: telegraph israeli security issued urgent warning
52. Biz Report (from Frankfuter Algemaine Zeitung of Germany) Echelon Gave Authorities Warning Of Attacks. By Ned Stafford. September 13, 2001. Google users enter: Zeitung of Germany Echelon Gave Authorities Warning
53. Ibid
54. San Francisco Chronicle.Willie Brown got low-key early warning about air travel By Phillip Matier, Andrew Ross. September 12, 2001. Google users enter: chronicle willie brown got early warning
55. Newsweek. Bush: We're at War. By Evan Thomas and Mark Hosenball. September 24, 2001. Google users enter: newsweek bush evan thomas we're at war
56. Newsbytes/Washington Post. Instant message to Israel warned of WTC attack. September 27, 2001. By Brian McWiliams Google useres enter: instant messages Israel warned attack
57. New York Times. Spilled Blood is Seen as Bond That Draws 2 Nations Closer. By James Bennet. September 12, 2001. Google users enter: it will generate immediate sympathy for Israel
58. ABC News20/20. ABCNews.com, June 21,2001.Google users enter : white van Israeli spies
59. The Bergen Record (New Jeresy). Five Men Detained as Suspected Conspirators. By Paulo Lima. September 12, 2001. Google users enter: paulo lima five men detained
60. The Bergen Record. (New Jersey) Five hijack suspects had links to N.J. By Adam Lisberg. September 15, 2001. Google users enter: adam lisberg guys were joking
61. New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety. Division of Consumer Affairs. December 13, 2001. Google users enter: state granted access to moving facility
62. ABC News20/20. ABCNews.com, June 21,2001.Google users enter : white van Israeli spies
63. Unmat (Pakistan). From BBC Monitoring Service. September 28,2001. Google users enter: bin laden already said I am not involved
64. WCBV TV. Boston Channel. FBI Agents Search Hotels; Several People Detained . September 12, 2001 Google users enter: boston airport koran arab flight
65. Ibid
66. Guardian Unlimited. (England) Uncle Sam's Lucky Finds. By Anne Karpf. March 19, 2002 Google users enter: uncle sam lucky finds anne karpf and also atta passport found
67. ABCNews.com. Saudi Prince says Seven Saudis on FBI list Innocent. September 23, 2001. Google users enter: hijack suspects alive and well
68. The Telegraph. (England). Revealed: The Men With Stolen Identities. By David Harrison. September 23, 2001. Google users enter: hijackers still alive and well and also telegraph men with stolen identities hijackers
69. ABCNews.com. Saudi Prince says Seven Saudis on FBI list Innocent. September 23, 2001. Google users enter: hijack suspects alive and well
70. BBC News (England) Hijack Suspects alive and well. September 23, 2001. Google users enter: hijack suspects alive and well
71. CNN. Hijackers likely skilled with fake IDs September 21, 2001.
Google users enter: cnn mueller identity thefts
72. The Week (India) Aborted Mission. Investigation: Did Mossad attempt to infiltrate Islamic radical outfits in south Asia? By Subir Bhaumik. February 6, 2000. Google users enter: muslim tabliqis mossad
73.Express India. Indian intelligence wiretap identified 9/11 hijackers. Press Trust of India. April 3,2002 Google users enter: indian intelligence wiretap identified 9/11
74. Jewsweek. India. Israel’s New Best Friend? By Gil Sedan. The Jewish Telegraph Agency. August 2002. Google users enter: jewsweek Israel new best friend
75. Wikipedia.com. The Free Encyclopedia. Mohammed Atta Google users enter: atta reported passport stolen
76. Frontline. PBS. Inside the Terror network. January 17, 2002 Google users enter: frontline atta shy timid
77. ABC Channel 4. (Florida). A Mission To Die For. Rudi Dekkers interviewed by Quentin McDermott. October 21, 2001 Google users enter: rudi dekkers interview
78. Ibid
79. Ibid
80. Star Tribune. Eagan Flight Trainer Won’t Let Unease about Moussaoui Rest.. December 21, 2001. Google users enter: star tribune eagan flight trainer
81. MSNBC. He Never Even Had a Kite. By Alan Zarembo.. September 24, 2001. Google users enter: atta he never even had kite
82. The Israeli Art Student Papers. Antiwar.com. By Justin Raimondo. March 21, 2002. Google users enter: Israeli art students hollywood
83. Boston Globe. March 5, 1994 Google users enter: baruch goldstein
84. Goldstein memorial website. www.newkach.org/special/baruch/02.htm Google users enter: baruch goldstein
85.Ha’aretz. (Israel) At least two Israelis dead in Tower attack .By Mazal Mualem and Shlomo Shamir Google users enter: daniel lewin elite commando
86. CNN. Investigators Arrive at Payne Stewart Crash Site. October 26,1999. Google users enter: CNN payne stewart crash
87. Forward. Defensive Saudis Lash Out at 'Zionist' and U.S. Critics . By Marc Perelman. December 28,2001. Google users enter: perle zionist defense policy board
88. Newsweek. Bush: We're at War. By Evan Thomas and Mark Hosenball. September 24, 2001. Google users enter: newsweek bush evan thomas we're at war
89. UPI United Press International. Sep. 26, 2001 Interview with General Gul Google users enter: hamid gul upi interview
90. Press release from Law Firm of Baum, Hedlund, Aristei, Guilford & Schiavo. April 11, 2002 Google users enter: family members lawsuit huntleigh 9-11
91. Ibid
92. Hoover’s Online. The Business Information Authority. Google users enter: hoover online icts
93. Associated Press. Experience, Reputation Make Israelis Hot Commodities for Homeland Security. By John P. Mcalpin. March 21, 2002. Google users enter: mcalpin experience reputation make israelis
94. Ha’aretz. (Israel) Hackers using Israeli 'net site to strike at Pentagon. By Nitzan Horowitz. July 30 1999 Google users enter: Israel hackers pentagon
95. US Department of Justice Press Release. March 18, 1998 Google users enter: israeli citizen arrested israel hacking
96. Jerusalem Post. WTC Architect: Collapse "Unbelievable". By Michael Meyer and Stuart Winer. September 12, 2001. Google users enter: swirsky collapse unbelievable
97. American Free Press. Eyewitness Reports Persis Of Bombs At WTC Collapse. By Christopher Bollyn. December 12, 2001. Google users enter: bollyn bombs lee robertson
98. Albuquerque Journal. ABQjournal.com. Explosives planted in towers,N.M. Tech Expert Says. By Oliver Uyttebrouck. September 11, 2001. Google users enter: romero explosives planted tower
99. Albuquerque Journal. ABQjournal.com. Fire, Not Extra Explosives, Doomed Buildings, Expert Says. By John Fleck. September 21, 2001. Google users enter: van romero fire not explosives
100. People Magazine. People.com United in Courage. September 12, 2001. Google users enter: people louie cacchioli 51
101. Reuters News Service. World Trade Center Scrap Sails for India, China. By Pete Harrison and Manuela Badawy .January 21, 2002. Google users enter: world trade center scrap sails
102. Chinese Radio International. January 2002. Google users enter: cri online world centre trade scrap
103. New York Daily News. Firefighter Mag raps 9/11 Probe. By Joe Calderone. January 4, 2002. Google users enter: joe calderone firefighter mag raps
104. Ibid
105. New York Times. Experts Urging Broader Inquiry In Towers’ Fall. December 25, 2001. Google users enter: times experts urging broader inquiry into towers fall
106. Ibid
107. Ibid
108. News India. Census of Sept. 11 Victims by Birthplace. April 26, 2002. Google users enter: census of sept. 11 victims by birthplace
109. Jerusalem Post. Thousands of Israelis missing near WTC, Pentagon. September 12, 2002. Google users enter: jerusalem post thousands israelis missing
110. New York Times. Bush speech to US Congress. September 22, 2001. Google users enter: nor will we forget more than 130 israelis
111A. CNN. September 11. A Memorial. Google users enter: cnn september 11 memorial
111B. NY Times. September 22, 2001
112. Newsbytes/Washington Post. Instant message to Israel warned of WTC attack. September 27, 2001. By Brian McWiliams Google users enter: instant messages Israel warned attack
113A. Jerusalem Post Digital Israel. Zim Workers Saved By Cost-Cutting Measures. November 12, 2001. Google users enter: zim workers saved if removed try: zim saved by move to virginia zim Israel navigation
113B Bible Light International. Zim saved by a Move to Virginia. June 2001 Google users enter: zim israel navigation world trade center Virginia
114A Jerusalem Post Digital Israel. Zim Workers Saved By Cost-Cutting Measures. November 12, 2001. Google users enter: zim workers saved if removed try: zim saved by move to virginia zim Israel navigation
114B. Bible Light International. Zim saved by a Move to Virginia. June 2001 Google users enter: zim israel navigation world trade center Virginia
115A. Jerusalem Post Digital Israel. Zim Workers Saved By Cost-Cutting Measures. November 12, 2001. Google users enter: zim workers saved if removed try: zim saved by move to virginia zim Israel navigation
115B. Bible Light International. Zim saved by a Move to Virginia. June 2001 Google users enter: zim israel navigation world trade center Virginia
116A. India Reacts. India in anti-Taliban military plan. June 21, 2001. Google users enter: india anti taliban military plan
116B. Jane’s International Security News. (England) India joins anti-Taliban coalition. By Rahul Bedi. March 15, 2001 Google users enter: india joins anti-taliban coalition Rahul Bedi
117. Der Erste.(Germany) Monitor. Aired December 20, 2001. Translated by Craig Morris. Google users enter: bin laden translation manipulated
for German original transcripts enter: monitor bin laden video restle sieker
118. Ibid
119. Sam Lacey. More Osama Video Analysis . Google users enter: more osama video analysis
120. The New York Times. Pentagon Considers Using Lies. By James Dao & Eric Schmitt. February 18,2001. Google users enter: new york times simon worden osi
121. Zionist Organization of America Press Release. October 13, 1997 Google users enter: Zionist organization america feith award
122. The Times (England). FBI Fails to Expose al-Qaeda networks. By Daniel McGrory. March 11, 2002. Google users enter: FBI Fails Expose al-Qaeda networks
123. Sydney Morning Herald. (Reprinted from Los Angeles Times) The Plot thins as FBI hunts for evidence. May 1, 2002 Google users enter: plot thins as FBI hunts evidence
124. Newsmax. Scandal inside the FBI: Why did G-Men Miss the Boat on 9-11? By Wes Vernon. March 14, 2002 Google users enter: robert wright fbi
125. Time Magazine. Time.com. Coleen Rowley's Memo to FBI Director Robert Mueller. May 21, 2002. Google users enter: time rowley memo mueller
126. Ibid
127. The Washington Post. 2 FBI whistleblowers Allege Lax Security, Possible Espionage. By James V. Grimaldi. June 18, 2001 Google users enter: sibel edmonds john cole
128. Ibid
129. Ibid
130. Los Angeles Times. Inquiries of Intelligence failures Hits Obstacles. By Greg Miller. Google users enter: times inquiry intelligence failures hits
131.www.fbi.gov FBI Major Speeches. Anti-Defamation League's 24th Annual National Leadership Conference. Washington, DC May 7, 2002 Google users enter: Mueller fbi adl speech
132. Arab News. ADL Found Guilty Of Spying By California Court . By Barbara Ferguson. Arab News Correspondent. April 27, 2002. Google users enter: barbara Ferguson adl guilty
133. Ibid
134. The Hartford Courant. Turmoil in a Perilous Place. Angry Scientists Allege Racism at Bio-warfare Lab. By Lynee Tuohy & Jack Dolan. December 19, 2001. Google users enter: courant assaad zack anthrax
135. Ibid
136. FBI. www.fbi.gov Google users enter: anthrax letters
137. Ibid
138. The Hartford Courant. Turmoil in a Perilous Place. Angry Scientists Allege Racism at Biowarfare Lab. By Lynee Tuohy & Jack Dolan. December 19, 2001. Google users enter: courant turmoil perilous place. And also anthrax downs zack
139. Ibid
140. Ibid
141. Hartford Courant. Anthrax Missing from Army Lab. By Jack Dolan & Dave Altimari. January 20, 2001. Google users enter: courant anthrax missing army lab
142. Ibid
143. See footnotes 138 and 141.
144. Globe and Mail. (Canada). On the Trail of an Anthrax Killer. By Paul Koring. March 6, 2001. Google users enter: globe mail trail anthrax killer
145. Seattle Times. Deadly specimens disappeared from Army research lab in '90s. Reprinted from Hartford Courant. January 21, 2002 Google users enter: seattle times anthrax zack
146. Insight Magazine. Media Manufacture Cloud of Suspicion Over Hatfill. August 14, 2002. By Nicholas Stix Google users enter kristof hatfilll
147. The Times of Trenton. Expert: Anthrax Suspect ID’d. By Joseph Dee. February 19, 2002. Google users enter: rosenberg hatfill
148. Insight Magazine. Media Manufacture Cloud of Suspicion Over Hatfill. August 14, 2002. By Nicholas Stix Google users enter kristof hatfilll
149. Washington Post. Ex Army Scientist Denies Role in Anthrax Attacks. August 2002. Google users enter: rosenberg hatfill
150. Washington Times. Scientist Says FBI asked About Setup. By Gus Taylor. August 3, 2001. Google users enter: hatfill fbi passed lie detector test
151. The Mercury (Philadelphia area newspaper) 2 Found with Video of Swears Tower. By Michelle Mowad. October 17, 2001 Google users enter: Mercury 2 found video sears tower
152. Ibid
153. Ibid
154. Ibid
155. Diario de Mexico. Bomba en San Lazaro. October 11, 2001. Google users enter: action report visual proof mexico and also mossad terrorists mexico
156. Mexican Department of Justice. (PGR) Press Bulletin. October 12, 2001. Bulletin 697/01 PGR bulletin can be viewed in Spanish, Google users enter: Mossad terrorists penetrate Mexican congress
157. Diario de Mexico. Bomba en San Lazaro. October 11, 2001. Google users enter: action report visual proof mexico and also mossad terrorists mexico
158. Mexican Attorney General Releases Zionist Terrorists. La Voz de Aztlan. By Ernesto Cienfuegos. October 15, 2001 Google users enter: mossad zionist terrorists mexico
159. Ibid
160. Jerusalem Post. FBI suspect Israelis of Nuclear Terrorism. November 1, 2001. Go to: www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/11/01/LatestNews/LatestNews.37390.html (Case sensitive. enter lower case and upper case letters exactly as shown. ) or Google to: Jerusalem post FBI suspect israelis nuclear
161. Ibid
162. Miami Herald. Nuclear plants tighten security FBI seeking 6 men seen in Midwest . By Martin Merzer, Curtis Morgan, & Lenny Savino. October 3, 2001. Google users enter: miami herald israelis nuclear power plans 163. The Times (England) FBI Fury as Men with Nuclear Plan Escape. By Katty Kay in Washington. November 1, 2001. Google users enter: katty kay fbi nuclear plan israeli
164. Los Angeles Time. Militant JDL Members Arrested by FBI. By Linda Deutsch. December 12, 2001. Google users enter: jdl bomb rubin issa
165. FOX News. Police Seize Rental Truck with TNT Traces. By Carl Cameron. May 13, 2001 Google users enter: fox bomb sniffing Israeli truck
166. Ha’aretz. (Israel) 2 Israelis wanted in US After Traces of Explosives Found in Their Truck. May 18, 2002 Google users enter: american police arrested two Israelis gear shift
167. FOX News. Massive Israeli Spy Operation2 Discovered in US. Carl Cameron Investigates. Four Part series. December 2001. Google users enter: israeli spy carl cameron investigates
168. Washington Post. 60 Israelis on Tourist Visas detained Since Sept. 11. By John Mintz. November 23, 2001. Google users enter: washington post 60 Israelis detained
169. FOX News website. Carl Cameron Investigates. This Story No Longer Exists. December 21, 2001. View this very strange posting. Google users enter: carl cameron this story no longer exists www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40684,00.html
170. FOX News. Massive Israeli Spy Operation2 Discovered in US. Carl Cameron Investigates. Four Part series. December 2001. Google users enter: israeli spy carl cameron investigates
171. KHOU, Channel 11 (Houston) Federal Buildings Could be in Jeopardy - in Houston and Nationally October 10, 201. Google users enter: israeli art students federal buildings
172. Ibid
173. Ibid
174. FOX News. Massive Israeli Spy Operation Discovered in US. Carl Cameron Investigates. Four Part series. December 2001. Google users enter: Israeli spy carl cameron
175. See footnote # 51
176. See footnote # 122
177. FOX News. Massive Israeli Spy Operation Discovered in US. Carl Cameron Investigates. Four Part series. December 2001. Google users enter: Israeli spy carl cameron
178. Executive Intelligence Review. Lyndon Larouche. January 2001. Google users enter: larouche middle east war implications
179. Arizona Daily Star. .WWIII Is Coming 'Whether They Like It Or Not' - Top Sharon Aide By Stephanie Innes, April 27, 2002. Google users enter: gissin world war coming like or not 180. CNS News. Israel to US: Don't Wait To Attack Iraq, Report Says. August 2002. Google users enter: peres iraq attack
181. New York Post. Today We are All Americans. By Benjamin Netanyahu. September 21, 2001. Google users enter: netanyahu today we all americans
182. ABC News20/20. ABCNews.com, June 21,2001.Google users enter : white van Israeli spies
183. New York Times. Spilled Blood is Seen as Bond That Draws 2 Nations Closer. By James Bennet. September 12, 2001. Google users enter: new york times spilled blood bond draws
184. CNN. Sharon Compares Incursions to U.S. War on Terror. CNN.com. May 7, 2002. Google users enter: Sharon speech adl
185. The Jerusalem Post.Jewish leaders stress Palestinians' support of attacks. By Melissa Radler. September 13, 2001. Google users enter: radler jewish congress jack rosen 186. Telegraph. (England) Bush will act alone if need be, says Perle. By Toby Harnden in Washington, August 9, 2002. Google users enter: perle bush will act alone
187. The obscure goat story of 9-11. ecclesia.org. Google users enter: obscure goat story bush and also card bush turned somber reading
188. Day of Deceit. By Robert Stinnett. (Simon and Schuster 2001) Google users enter: robert stinnett pearl harbor
189. Time Magazine. How George Bush Earned His Summer Vacation. By James Carney and John Dickerson. August 5, 2001. Google users enter: longest vacation in presidential history
190. CBS News. Tariq Azis interview with Dan rather. August 20,2002 Google users enter: tariq aziz dan rather
191. Washington's Farewell Address. Google users enter: washington's farewell address

[sometimeman]

Oh WiseOne Always remember the words of the Apostal Paul, "For he is not a Jew which is one outwardly but, he is a Jew which is one inwardly"

Oh Wise One, Christ was a Jew, as also was Caiaphas. Perhaps these are the seed of Caiaphas?

[AskTheWiseOldMan]

I looked at the citations provided hoping that there was something to this.

What I discovered regarding the USS Liberty Incident is that the conspiracies theories and Ward Boston's claims were pretty well debunked in 2004. I also followed the source citations linked in the article and they don't appear to be honest. For example there are statements quoted, but when you go to the source, the quote isn't there or is taken out of context.

I did find the actual documents here: www.thelibertyincident.com/index.html

As for the 5 Israeli boys who took pictures of the burning towers, they certainly weren't the only ones who did that. If they were involved in something, no one has ever said how - or specified what role they were supposed to have played. As far as anyone has ever discovered, they were just kids working for a moving company who saw the towers burning and took pictures of themselves with it in the background.

When it comes to conspiracy theories, I've found that applying Occam's razor usually gets folks closest to the truth.

I like the line from the movie JFK that goes something like: "How do you know who your Daddy is? Because your Momma told you so."

But are there conspiracies among folks to hide their bad deeds? Is public naivete exploited? You betcha. A lot of official lies and coverups that I know about start within 100 yards east and west of the 515 overpass.

[sometimeman]

Wise One, There may be a twinge of dissonance here.

Eufaula, Alabama has an Admiral Moore Middle School. It was named after the Admiral. His brother was a dentist in Eufaula for years, up until his retirement. The last time I saw him, he was barely able to walk, using two canes.

I think the Admiral is dead. The brother took a bunch of stuff to the Eufaula Tribune and the paper published a page or so of the Admirals view if the attack on the Liberty. He didn't like it one bit and was bitter. I suppose he did everything he could do but resign.

I respect Colon Powell for his resignation.

[AskTheWiseOldMan]

Conspiracy theories are born of dissonance, eh? Questioning authority is patriotic in America. However, "Universal Mistrust of Authority" is a diagnosable form of mild paranoia listed in the DSM. Its often difficult, if not impossible to tell the difference.

For arguments sake lets say that Government in the USA - Fed, state and local - are all corrupt and dishonest. There's only one way to fix it. Revolution, Overthrow, and if you fail, be prepared to be executed for treason.

[sometimeman]

WOM said, "There's only one way to fix it. Revolution, Overthrow, and if you fail, be prepared to be executed for treason."
Perhaps this explains The Admirals response as well as Powells resignation?


www.google.com/search?q=yediot+america+urban+moving&hl=en&pwst=1&start=0&sa=N

What can I say to make you believe?

The twinge of dissonance was referenced to this not fitting with what is already inside your head?

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Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?


June 21

Millions saw the horrific images of the World Trade Center attacks, and those who saw them won't forget them. But a New Jersey homemaker saw something that morning that prompted an investigation into five young Israelis and their possible connection to Israeli intelligence.

Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers.

She grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye.

Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said.

The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know & They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.

She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.

The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted on a service road off Route 3, near New Jersey's Giants Stadium. A police officer pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27 years old, in the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and handcuffed by police.

The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.

We Are Not Your Problem

According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident"  referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.

When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases, ABCNEWS has learned.

One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.

After the five men were arrested, the FBI got a warrant and searched Urban Moving's Weehawken, N.J., offices.

The FBI searched Urban Moving's offices for several hours, removing boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. The FBI also questioned Urban Moving's owner. His attorney insists that his client answered all of the FBI's questions. But when FBI agents tried to interview him again a few days later, he was gone.

Three months later 2020's cameras photographed the inside of Urban Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse.

The owner had also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for sale and returned with his family to Israel.

A Scary Situation

Steven Gordon, the attorney for the five Israeli detainees, acknowledged that his clients' actions on Sept. 11 would easily have aroused suspicions. "You got a group of guys that are taking pictures, on top of a roof, of the World Trade Center. They're speaking in a foreign language. They got two passports on 'em. One's got a wad of cash on him, and they got box cutters. Now that's a scary situation."

But Gordon insisted that his clients were just five young men who had come to America for a vacation, ended up working for a moving company, and were taking pictures of the event.

The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case.

The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were given as many as seven lie-detector tests.

Plenty of Speculation

Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.

Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database.

Israeli Intelligence Connection?

According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether Urban Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area."

Under this scenario, the alleged spying operation was not aimed against the United States, but at penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising and support networks in Muslim communities like Paterson, N.J., which was one of the places where several of the hijackers lived in the months prior to Sept. 11.

For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks  then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.

Sources say the Israelis were targeting these fund-raising networks because they were thought to be channeling money to Hamas and Islamic Jihad, groups that are responsible for most of the suicide bombings in Israel. "[The] Israeli government has been very concerned about the activity of radical Islamic groups in the United States that could be a support apparatus to Hamas and Islamic Jihad," Cannistraro said.

The men denied that they had been working for Israeli intelligence out of the New Jersey moving company, and Ram Horvitz, their Israeli attorney, dismissed the allegations as "stupid and ridiculous."

Mark Regev, the spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, goes even further, asserting the issue was never even discussed with U.S. officials.

"These five men were not involved in any intelligence operation in the United States, and the American intelligence authorities have never raised this issue with us," Regev said. "The story is simply false."

No Pre-Knowledge

Despite the denials, sources tell ABCNEWS there is still debate within the FBI over whether or not the young men were spies. Many U.S. government officials still believe that some of them were on a mission for Israeli intelligence. But the FBI told ABCNEWS, "To date, this investigation has not identified anybody who in this country had pre-knowledge of the events of 9/11."

Sources also said that even if the men were spies, there is no evidence to conclude they had advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11. The investigation, at the end of the day, after all the polygraphs, all of the field work, all the cross-checking, the intelligence work, concluded that they probably did not have advance knowledge of 9/11," Cannistraro noted.

As to what they were doing on the van, they say they read about the attack on the Internet, couldn't see it from their offices and went to the parking lot for a better view. But no one has been able to find a good explanation for why they may have been smiling with the towers of the World Trade Center burning in the background. Both the lawyers for the young men and the Israeli Embassy chalk it up to immature conduct.

According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal  and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home.

While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS' questions about their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.

Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event."
So, I guess they came all the way from Israel just to document it, hunh?
ABCNEWS' Chris Isham, John Miller, Glenn Silber and Chris Vlasto contributed to this report.

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