AskTheWiseOldMan
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Post by AskTheWiseOldMan on May 30, 2008 18:44:10 GMT -4
Does anyone else see commonality of excuses between "Its not the student's fault" on the CRCT scores and "its not my son's fault" for flying a plane of dope without a license (and trying to hide by landing without lights)? No not at all. Mr. Stephens neither took nor scored the CRCT's. This was a systemic state wide issue and not related to the Stephens family or its woes. Please do explain how you formulated this analogy  Both are lame, untrue excuses. Many many many children did quite well on the CRCT. Lowering the standards doesn't help them have a better life. If they fail then they fail. Keep them back until they knuckle down and learn the material. One of the worst problems we have today is that teens don't have any respect nor understanding of social expectations. Another is that not taking responsibility for your own failures gets you nowhere in life... kind of like a high school diploma from many Georgia public schools. |
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Post by AskTheWiseOldMan on May 30, 2008 18:55:05 GMT -4
When only 30% of GA passed the CRCT, it is a problem with the test. I admire Steohens for standing behind his students and faculity. I have spoken with him personally on this issue. As for his son, it has nothing to do with the CRCT, Tommy is the darkest times has proven very capable of doing his job. This is what I'm talking about. Keeping people in the dark so they think you're doing a good job. No. Tommy hasn't done a good job. He's done a lousy ineffective and inefficient job. The CRCT results were accurate. Tommy should set an example both by insisting that his son acknowledge his failures and man-up to the consequences ... as should the students who failed to prepare adequately for this test. If one student can do very well, they all could have and should have. When students elsewhere in the country have single-digit failure rates, then you cannot blame the test itself. All the students took the same test. Why do you think its unfair ONLY to the ones who failed it? |
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Post by betsy on May 30, 2008 19:06:15 GMT -4
Do youknow how well Union did compaired to the rest of the state? If what you are saying is true, then every teacher and school board member needs to be fired. This is not only Union County it is the WHOLE state. Lets not use a state problem to bash Tommy.
On a side note I see where this thread is going and I am done here.
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Post by sometimeman on May 30, 2008 23:16:09 GMT -4
You love Tommy don't you betesy?
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Post by blondie on May 30, 2008 23:32:52 GMT -4
Well I agree with Betsy. If this were only an issue in UC your post may have some merit. This is not the case. Almost if not every system in the STATE is experiencing the same exact problem at the same exact time for the same exact reason the TEST!
This is not a Tommy issue. I don't deny that there are many things that he can be faulted for this just isn't one of those things.
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Post by mac on Jun 4, 2008 7:23:59 GMT -4
This particular problem is nationwide............. we whine about these low test scores, but the teachers are powerless to do anything about it because the school systems are so dependant on federal tax dollars............ lower scores or outright failures .......... less money. Same thing for students that should repeat a grade......... sending them on is just not right. But this is done everywhere. Its no wonder our students lag so far behind the rest of the world.
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Post by oscarwho on Jun 4, 2008 8:14:57 GMT -4
The educators just need more money to get the job done right . The teachers need more money , Tommy S. needs more than 140,000 dollars annually and the students need to get paid to learn , after all is not their time worth something . But wait , more school tax is on the way so the problem will be fixed . Your property and home may not be yours much longer .
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AskTheWiseOldMan
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Post by AskTheWiseOldMan on Jun 4, 2008 15:07:40 GMT -4
Well I agree with Betsy. If this were only an issue in UC your post may have some merit. This is not the case. Almost if not every system in the STATE is experiencing the same exact problem at the same exact time for the same exact reason the TEST! This is not a Tommy issue. I don't deny that there are many things that he can be faulted for this just isn't one of those things. If one is bound and determined to wallow in excuses then there is no changing their mind - and if its ok for the school superintendent to do likewise, then there's no hope for changing children's minds either. These kids can do better - and many of them did quite well (negating the argument that the test is flawed). Take the sample test for the sixth-grade results that you question (see below). There is nothing on it that someone completing the fifth grade cannot understand. Lowering the standards or making it the test easier helps no one. Neither do excuses from much-overpaid superintendents who create unnecessary positions for their offspring, and who obviously don't know how to raise a child to have good judgement, to stay clear of dope, to obey the rules, nor to compete in the honest workplace. No Stephens isn't the right person for this job and Union County isn't getting what its paying for. Here is the link (see below) to the study guide and sample test you are condemning. Look closely at the standards. Take the sample test. There is nothing unreasonable about it - except that perhaps its TOO easy. Whether you live in a state of the lowest academic achievement or one where scholastic achievement is very good, these are necessary skills that a sixth-grader must know. www.gadoe.org/DMGetDocument.aspx/CRCT%20Grade%205%20Study%20Guide.pdf?p=6CC6799F8C1371F63FB0F5DD93F29412252AAE20020060D9F2C11B7EFD223D55&Type=D Wouldn't you rather see a superintendent be a REAL leader and express commitment to meeting or exceeding the minimum standards - instead of making excuses? (maybe not, as we keep electing the same people over and over while expecting a different result - which is one definition of "insanity"). The problem with this test is neither state-wide nor nationwide (despite Mac's excellent points.) As we well know 36% of the students in this state met the standards. Nor is it nationwide as most children in other states did quite well, too. I want these kids to be able to compete in the world even if other people don't want anything but more money. |
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Post by southpaw on Jun 4, 2008 23:21:15 GMT -4
WOM: I don't think anyone is disputing your opinion that tommy is not right for the job. The test had problems!!! Give the kids and teachers the benefit of the doubt since there appeared to be flaws in the test and red flags were going up like crazy across the state.
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