A Woman's Place In Church

[queenbee]

I have been doing some studying on this and thought I would get ya'lls opinion.

What or where do you think her place should be?

[betsy]

In church, I am considered by most a little conservative on this....

Women are not called to preach.

Women should teach Sunday school for kids, but not to an adult class if there is a man in the class.

Women should not close in prayer (church).

Should women sit there and not talk, NO (imagine me not talking) in Sunday school if I have a question I will ask it. In a business meeting, I do not state what I think, but if I have a question I fell like I could ask it.

I believe women have a very important role in the church, but above men is not one of them.

[queenbee]

What determines "above men"?

[shortcircuit]

As far as I am concerned the only thing that a woman shouldn't do is preach. I don't really understand why the Bible forbids it, someday I plan on asking God about that. Other than that there is absolutely no difference, any man who doesn't treat a woman with respect and dignity inside or outside of the church is not a man. Lots of denominations nowadays have women leaders.

[shortcircuit]

I've heard some preachers say that women cannot pray aloud in church, but I guarantee you that if one of those preachers had a heart attack in the middle of the service he would be glad to have the women pray as loud as they could for him!

[queenbee]

Do you know that women were the only ones who stayed with Jesus at the crucifixtion, his male disciples ran and hid in fear for their life.

One of his most favored disciples was a woman and he had several women disciples that traveled with him from town to town. He put women in charge of several churches.

[betsy]

It would kind of be hard for my husband the spiritual leader in the family, if I was a pastor. I do not believe women should be preaching or teaching a class of men.
Bee I would have to have examples, I can offer no counter on that one I know of no disciples that were women, I can name his 12 disciples, they were all men. I have no problems with women having leadership roles in a church, I have a problem putting woman above a man. Men and women are equal, but not the same in Gods eyes, we have different roles. Several roles in a church yes, when it comes to women, but never put them in charge of a church.

[queenbee]

Romans Chapter 16
Acts 17:4
Mark 15: 40-51
Luke 8: 1-3

Women were the first to discover the empty tomb, were the first to know and testify to Jesus resurrection from the dead. Mary was the first person Jesus spoke to after resurrection.
Matthew 28:1-10; Mark 16: 1-8, Luke 23:55, Luke 24:10, John 20:1-2

Don't you find it strange that women were disciples, they traveled with Jesus and he spoke directly to them and with them praying, they held high offices in the church. But after the Bible was translated several times the role of women were diminished?

The translation of the scriptiure from Hebrew and Greek were done by simple scribes who were prone to mistakes in grammer and also by what the current social structure was at the time of the translations.

Will post more later, got to go do a load of laundry. And I say "thank you Lord for the laundry blessing, because I have clothes to wear and don't have to go to the laundramat"

[texie]

I'm with you Betsy. I thought I was the only one who felt that way in this day and age.

[shortcircuit]

It's so nice to be able to have a religious discussion without everybody getting mad and upset. I could never attend a church that has a woman pastor simply because it goes against my beliefs but I often wonder why the bible teaches that. Saying "It was just something that was added by church leaders to oppress women" is NOT a valid argument to me, I guess I'm one of those wackos who believes every word in the Bible was written by divine inspiration. It could be because of Eve tempting Adam to mess with the forbidden fruit but in my opinion Adam is just as guilty as Eve in that situation. I do know that God has a reason for everything though, like I said above I will ask him about this someday.

[queenbee]

I too enjoy a friendly discussion without people getting mad and upset.

How can you see what other opinions are if you don't ask. We were all influenced
by a person with an opinion at one time or another, that help us to form ours.

It's great to see what other people think about a subject.

Let's keep it up.

[sometimeman]

Doesn't matter too much how I feel about it, anybody know what the bible says about it?

[betsy]

Jun 1, 2008 20:51:08 GMT -4 queenbee said:

Romans Chapter 16
Acts 17:4
Mark 15: 40-51
Luke 8: 1-3

Women were the first to discover the empty tomb, were the first to know and testify to Jesus resurrection from the dead. Mary was the first person Jesus spoke to after resurrection.
Matthew 28:1-10; Mark 16: 1-8, Luke 23:55, Luke 24:10, John 20:1-2

Don't you find it strange that women were disciples, they traveled with Jesus and he spoke directly to them and with them praying, they held high offices in the church. But after the Bible was translated several times the role of women were diminished?

The translation of the scriptiure from Hebrew and Greek were done by simple scribes who were prone to mistakes in grammer and also by what the current social structure was at the time of the translations.

Will post more later, got to go do a load of laundry. And I say "thank you Lord for the laundry blessing, because I have clothes to wear and don't have to go to the laundramat"

Dorcas is the only one who had a church at her home, she was not a preacher. I believe she is the only example in the Bible, but other women might have offered their homes. At that time with the government the way it was many people offered their homes.

I was wrong on the disciples, I was think apolstels. We are all suppose to be disciples of Christ.

Jesus told them women to go tell, not go preach. Women finding him, talking to him ect, really has nothing to do with their roles in the church.

Acts 17:4
Chief women, does not mean pastors or leaders of a church.

Mark 15:40-51
Again we all are dicsples and are to testify, witness, minister.....

Luke 8:1-3
See the above


Sometimeman I agree with you, my Pasor always gets fired up when people say: "The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it." Last I check it does not matter what one believe, it matters what the Bible states.

As far as the Bible's translation. I do not question the KJV. I question the other versions of the Bible that have to be changed 10,000 times to be published. I question the versions that leave out verses. The Bible is the Word of God and that is what I read, study, and believe.

Yep Bee we disagree, but I still think you are sooooooo cooooool. I like discussions like this, I sat in my Bible for 45 minutes reading up on it. Only makes me wiser.

[blondie]

Well Betsy you and I appear to be on the same page with this one. I know that my opinion is not held high here, but I think that men are to be the head of the church. I am not going to quote a bunch of scripture to make a point and a good bit of what I think is what I have been taught over the years. Like I said men are the head of the church. However, women are the back bone of the church. The majority of the functioning of the church is guided by the women in the church. I have never been to a church where women spoke during conference. They usually have that opportunity before conference begins. Bee I too believe that Jesus had women as disciples. The womans role in the church is great both physically, spiritually, and symbolically.

I think that above men would mean teaching, preaching, or ruling over men.

[betsy]

Jun 1, 2008 22:06:59 GMT -4 @betsy said:

Jun 1, 2008 20:51:08 GMT -4 queenbee said:

Romans Chapter 16
Acts 17:4
Mark 15: 40-51
Luke 8: 1-3

Women were the first to discover the empty tomb, were the first to know and testify to Jesus resurrection from the dead. Mary was the first person Jesus spoke to after resurrection.
Matthew 28:1-10; Mark 16: 1-8, Luke 23:55, Luke 24:10, John 20:1-2

Don't you find it strange that women were disciples, they traveled with Jesus and he spoke directly to them and with them praying, they held high offices in the church. But after the Bible was translated several times the role of women were diminished?

The translation of the scriptiure from Hebrew and Greek were done by simple scribes who were prone to mistakes in grammer and also by what the current social structure was at the time of the translations.

Will post more later, got to go do a load of laundry. And I say "thank you Lord for the laundry blessing, because I have clothes to wear and don't have to go to the laundramat"

Dorcas is the only one who had a church at her home, she was not a preacher. I believe she is the only example in the Bible, but other women might have offered their homes. At that time with the government the way it was many people offered their homes.

I was wrong on the disciples, I was think apolstels. We are all suppose to be disciples of Christ.

Jesus told them women to go tell, not go preach. Women finding him, talking to him ect, really has nothing to do with their roles in the church.

Acts 17:4
Chief women, does not mean pastors
Mark 15:40-51
Again we all are dicsples and are to testify, witness, minister.....

Luke 8:1-3
See the above


Sometimeman I agree with you, my Pasor always gets fired up when people say: "The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it." Last I check it does not matter what one believe, it matters what the Bible states.

As far as the Bible's translation. I do not question the KJV. I question the other versions of the Bible that have to be changed 10,000 times to be published. I question the versions that leave out verses. The Bible is the Word of God and that is what I read, study, and believe.

Yep Bee we disagree, but I still think you are sooooooo cooooool. I like discussions like this, I sat in my Bible for 45 minutes reading up on it. Only makes me wiser.