FOR THE EDIFICATION OF THOSE WHO THINK THEY KNOW

[sometimeman]

Wednesday, July 2, 2008
Charles Krauthammer: does he need to look into the Auschwitz story?
Charles Krauthammer is a columnist for the Washington Post and appears as a regular on Brit Hume’s All Stars. He’s very bright, and sometimes his insights are expressed with an elegance rarely achieved on such shows. This past Sunday I watched the program. There was some chat about bombing Iran, allegedly its nuclear facilities.

Krauthammer was clear about not really knowing if Iran would be bombed any time soon, who would do it, or when. He did say that his sense of things is that the Israelis have the stronger case for bombing Iran than do the Americans because “six million” Jews were exterminated during WWII, and now the president of Iran is threatening to exterminate the Jews of Israel, to “wipe Israel off the map.” Never again, eh?

Krauthammer did not mention that all the Arabs living in Israel would be killed too, but then, they’re Arabs.

Krauthammer is a true believer then about the “six million” fraud, which I can understand, he being an intellectual and a Jewish patriot. What are the odds? What I cannot understand is his belief that Ahmadinejad wants to exterminate the Israeli Jews by wiping Israel “off the map.”

According to American media that's what Iranian President Ahmadinejad said in a speech in October 2005. So what did he actually say? I took the following text from David Irving, but Juan Cole of U Michigan at Ann Arbor was the primary figure to break this hoax.

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"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." To quote his exact words in Farsi: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime.

This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem ).

The full quote translated directly to English: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time". A word by word translation: Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods ( Jerusalem ) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

So this raises the question: what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"?

The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".

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Here is the story line. If Israel attacks Iran the act will be morally justified because the Germans “exterminated” the Jews of Europe, particularly at Auschwitz, and it will be morally justified again because now the Persians are threatening to “exterminate” the Jews of Israel. Meanwhile, if there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz, the moral jusification for Israeli and/or American policies in the Middle East will be morally compromised. The best thing by far then is to suppress revisionist questions about Auschwitz and destroy those who ask such questions.

[soaks]

I guess they can always claim that they had poor intelligence.

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The Myth of 'Weapons-Grade' Enrichment
By Kaveh L Afrasiabi
(2008-06-23)

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Instead, the US media in particular have allowed themselves to become an unwitting accomplice of Israel's anti-Iran propaganda machine, dutifully recycling the line that Iran is actively pursuing nuclear weapons, has amassed "weapons-grade" enriched uranium, and is thus on the verge of arriving at "the point of no return" with respect to bomb-making.

In a word, the race to dupe public opinion about a "clear and present danger" posed by Iran's nuclear program, to justify Israel's threatened attack (with the US's tacit approval) is in full gear and the US media are by and large about to receive another "F" card, just as they did with the US's 2003 invasion of Iraq, when the "pluralistic" media became a shell of itself by blindly echoing the White House's spin about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

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But, no matter what the influential position of their signatories, the narratives in the US media that persist in their claim that Iran has manufactured "weapons-grade" enriched uranium simply cannot stand the weight of scrutiny and are refuted by the IAEA's findings to the contrary. These narratives routinely refer to the IAEA's reports on Iran, yet turn a blind eye to those reports' explicit references to Iran's "low-enriched uranium" (up to 4%).

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Never mind that IAEA reports clearly confirm that all of Iran's enrichment-related facilities are under the agency's "containment and monitoring", or that IAEA inspectors have had nine "unannounced visits" at the enrichment facility in Natanz since March 2007.

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To turn to another example of flawed coverage of Iran by the US media, a recent editorial in the Dallas News [4] states categorically that the IAEA "has recently accused Iran of developing its program of enriching uranium". The editors appear unaware that the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), to which Iran is a signatory, does not prohibit Iran's uranium-enrichment program.

The IAEA has never declared Iran in material breach of its obligations and, certainly, has never "accused" Iran of pursuing a program sanctioned under the NPT. Rather, the governing board of the IAEA has simply requested from Iran to suspend its sensitive nuclear program as a "confidence-building measure", that is, as a time-bound and thus temporary "legally non-binding" step.

Yet, by dispensing with such important nuances and critical distinctions between low-enriched uranium and "weapons-grade" uranium, a growing segment of the US media has now fully integrated itself in Israel's incessant anti-Iran campaign, aimed at exerting maximum pressure, even if that means twisting the facts and standing them on their head.

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To return to Allison's piece above-mentioned, it is factually incorrect to assume that Iran's low-enriched uranium is "one-third" what is required for a nuclear bomb. First, only through extensive and a painstakingly difficult technological process of re-processing and re-enriching uranium to substantially higher levels (90% or more), can Iran's enriched uranium be utilized for manufacturing bombs.

Second, with the IAEA's robust inspection of Iran's enrichment facilities, any such diversion to "weapons-grade" enrichment would be instantly detected, simply because significant modifications, re-assembling and re-configuration of the cascades of centrifuges would be necessary and that could not possibly evade the IAEA's watchful eyes.

Yet, all of this is ignored, with the tacit suggestion that Iran's program is "unsupervised" when, in fact, it is one of the most exhaustively inspected and supervised nuclear programs in the world, in light of some 3,500 hours of inspection of its facilities since 2003.

In conclusion, misperceptions of Iran's nuclear activities form an important prerequisite for a major military offensive against the country. This is the concern as long as those misperceptions are propagated.

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Here's the link to the original source at Asian Times:
www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JF24Ak04.html

And here's the Info Clearing House:
www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20162.htm

[sometimeman]

Six Pack Joe will fall for it every time!

[AskTheWiseOldMan]

Who knows whether 6 million is accurate? Nobody.

Having been to Dachau and Auschwitz and having personally seen the films, photographs and other records showing not just the burning and gassing of civilians, but the other tortures (standing to death was a common form of execution) and medical experiments (for example, to see how long it took people of various ages to freeze to death in ice), I have no doubt that the number was in the millions.

[soaks]

Jul 16, 2008 16:57:30 GMT -4 AskTheWiseOldMan said:

Who knows whether 6 million is accurate? Nobody.

And it wasn't just the Jews who made it into these camps - political dissidents of all persausions, ethnicities considered impure, criminals, homosexuals - basically anybody that made trouble or questioned the status quo.

Unfortunately, ethnic and political cleansing is part of the human stain. And someone always seems to come up with a "good" reason to persue it once again.

[sometimeman]

SEE "B"'s SIX MILLION THIS BOARD

[whineandcheeze]

Adolf Hitler like most of the "ethnic cleansers", killed the brilliant, the scholars, the scientists, of all nationalityes and religions including many Germans, Polish and Catholic priests. Books of enlightenment and knowlege were burnt. This is cleaning? Anyone who thinks this did not happen is ignoring the evidence ordered taken by General Eisenhower who demanded full documentation because he knew that someday, there would be "bastards" who would say it did not happen. Even a raging anti-semite knows it happened!

[sometimeman]

Here's your sign!
blairsvillecity.proboards104.com/index.cgi?board=news&action=display&thread=1614

This is a report from the International Red Cross Tracing Service on the total
number of deaths in German concentration camps during WWII. These figures
were compiled from statistics gathered during 1982-83 and released in 1984.

[sometimeman]

Whine with Cheese,
You sleep in the same bed as Ape don't you?
Both you empty headed homosapians write as if you reside inside the same cranium.

[shortcircuit]

Jul 24, 2008 11:07:12 GMT -4 sometimeman said:

Whine with Cheese,
You sleep in the same bed as Ape don't you?
Both you empty headed homosapians write as if you reside inside the same cranium.

Take it easy there sometimer, whineandchees ain't NOTHING like apeboy.

[whineandcheeze]

I AM A RADICAL CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN ZIONIST HAWK. I THINK THE SECOND AMMENDMENT IS AN OBLIGATION NOT A RIGHT AND LIBERAL IS NOT A NAME I TAKE TO KINDLY!

[nataliewood]

Jul 24, 2008 22:47:31 GMT -4 whineandcheeze said:

I AM A RADICAL CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN ZIONIST HAWK. I THINK THE SECOND AMMENDMENT IS AN OBLIGATION NOT A RIGHT AND LIBERAL IS NOT A NAME I TAKE TO KINDLY!

Hahahaha, That's my girl.

[soaks]

Not quite sure where this thread is going, but I wanted to be quite clear on where I stand.

I am not an anti-semite, nor do I support Holocaust Revisionism. Any regime that can enact social laws that target a specific religious or cultural group can easily go as far down that road as their populace will allow. I'm not going to quibble about numbers - 1, 4, or 6-million it's all the same horror.

I do support the point of the original post in this thread that the "wipe Israel off the map" quote has been misinterpreted for propaganda purposes - whose propaganda and whose purposes remain to be seen.

My post regarding Iran's uranium enrichment activities is not meant to support Iran against some supposed Zionist plot to dominate the world, but was posted to bring additional information forward.