John McCain was not Tortured

[bubbadebubba]

""Pearl Harbor was the trigger to get the American People to back WWII. This is a fact Bubba research it.""

first;;
yes, Pearl Harbor was the reason for our entry into WWII. Its' an established historical fact. Most of us know about it. We were attacked and we responded. Either we defend ourselves or we don't.
Conspiracy theories would have us believe Roosevelt wanted in the war so he made plans with Japan. Japan would attach Pearl Harbor and the U.S. would enter the war and 4 years later destroy Japan. Everybody knows the Japs were stupid back then.

Second;;
The U.S., being a government of deliberation, is always looked upon by the thugs and murderers of the world as a patsy. And we are to a degree, because we NEVER assume the worst of human nature. We like to think everyone is like us, open-hearted and free giving of our resources.

Third;;
If the U.S. had not entered WWII, would Hitler's boots be on America?

[bubbadebubba]

""Bubba, I figure the president is the front man for the bankers and big business.
I think these folks wanted to secure middle east oil.
I think 911 was the trigger to get the American People on board. ""

First;;
911 was the reason for us to respond just like Pearl Harbor was reason enough to respond.

Second;;
America's response to being attacked and the reasons are self evident.

Third;;
Again, conspiracy theories would have us believe America planned 911 to get Iraq Oil.



""At Least 7 of the 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive""

First;;
Come see my two headed snake. It has a head at each end of it's body. Cut it in the middle and it produces another 2-headed snake.

Second;;
Must be the ONLY example of humans surviving Planes crashing into the Twin Towers. Ditto for the crash into the Pentagon and the one in the Country.

Third;;
No American citizens survived these plane crashes, only some of the Terrorists. An example of what happens to a 2 headed snake in the first answer above..



And finally;;

We believe what we wanna believe, and sometimes to heck with human reason. We make choices in this life and we live with them or we die with them.

[sometimeman]

Bubba, The truth is worth dying for. I love what America stood for. I love our Constitution. I love our Bill of Rights.
Our country has no business being in the position it is in. We write bad checks and look for some one to cash them, just so we can stay in business!
My President has said, "the Constitution is just a god dammed piece of paper"! How did we get to this point?
Bubba, the way out is back, not forward.
I think God must save us because not enough of us are willing to go "back"

[bubbadebubba]

Aug 24, 2008 12:23:16 GMT -4 sometimeman said:

Bubba, you are not compelled to play their game.
You are in charge.
Write the person of your choice in.
And, what IF they don't win? Have you wasted your vote? No! You have exercised your choice and let the bastards know while they might have chose for thousands of others they did not choose for you!!!

Others may be compelled to vote Obama -or- McCain Not you. You have a choice.

Sometimer; while I agree there is a time for a protest vote. I do not believe this is the year.

First;
There is too much at stake for our Country to do a protest vote this year, i.e., several old men and women on the Supreme who will either die or retire.

Second;
The replacement of these Justices will set the course of the U.S. for many years to come.

Third;;
If the socialist democrats appoint these justices; turn your guns in, give up your bank accounts to the government, register with the government, sit back and government will take care of everything.

Fourth;
Euphoria will reign and all will be well over the World.

Fifth;
My statements above are not scare tactics, these things will actually occur.

Sixth;
Welcome to Dreamworld.

[bubbadebubba]

Aug 26, 2008 7:39:00 GMT -4 sometimeman said:

Bubba, The truth is worth dying for. I love what America stood for. I love our Constitution. I love our Bill of Rights.
Our country has no business being in the position it is in. We write bad checks and look for some one to cash them, just so we can stay in business!
My President has said, "the Constitution is just a god dammed piece of paper"! How did we get to this point?
Bubba, the way out is back, not forward.
I think God must save us because not enough of us are willing to go "back"

I think most all free loving Americans understand what you are saying here and possibly wish we could go back.

Our Country was built on an idea of freedom of the people, and to this day it has been an evolving idea. Governments which are able to evolve and change last a long time while those governments which do not evolve do not last long.

We all wish for a government that supports our views and our life styles. The problem is there are many views and lifestyles.

We can go back to tribalism, like the Arab countries rule by and you can see the result there, or like in parts of Africa and you can see the result there.

Or we can form a union like we have here in America, with many ideas of how to run a government and the dissension it creates.

People can NOT live in a vacuum, and we need government. The question then becomes what kind of government and how long do we put up with it and support it.

[sometimeman]

Bubba,
The Union we have formed here in America does not include, "press one for English"
It does include, This IS America goddamit LEARN English! Here, let us help you.
This is the attitude that will take us back! We are "One Nation" not hodge podge multicultrial soup of nothingness! We are Americans with a Constitution and a Bill of Rights that we fight and die to defend. Our Military Leaders swear allegiance to the constitution. Not a pig headed "decider"

The road back will be littered with bullets and bodies and covered with our and our loved ones blood. And to be honest, we may not get back because it is almost as the prophet Jeremiah has written, " The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved".
That being said; lives spent in the defeat of evil is well spent. Even so come Lord!

[sometimeman]

Bubba, The ROOT of our troubles is the idea that we have to have a "Federal Reserve".
Read what Lincoln and Andrew Jackson said about it.

[bubbadebubba]

""The Union we have formed here in America does not include, "press one for English"
It does include, This IS America goddamit LEARN English! Here, let us help you.""

I like this sentence.

[bubbadebubba]

""Bubba, The ROOT of our troubles is the idea that we have to have a "Federal Reserve".
Read what Lincoln and Andrew Jackson said about it.""

That type of Federal Reserve no longer exists.

As for the Federal Reserve, consider the following::

Money is a man made creation dating back to as far as History goes.

Money was created as a bartering tool. Before money people bartered with things like animal hides, weapons, women, etc. Some bartering goes on even today.
But not everyone wanted what you might have to barter and you may not want what someone else had to barter.

So what to do? Create a common thing to use that everyone could use to purchase what they please and the person receiving the common thing could use it to purchase what they wanted. Walla, we now have something called money.

Today Money is in the form of Coins and Paper. Some time back money was only available in the form of Coins.

Coins were made up of Gold, Silver, Copper, and other metals.

Paper came into being to replace the Coins.

If we still relied ONLY on Coins, we would need to carry around with us 50lb bags of coins to go to the Grocery Store. The Grocery store would fill up with bags of coins. All Merchants receiving Coins for Barter would take the Coins to the Bank for safe-keeping and the Banks would be over-flowing with Coins.
Pretty soon the Nation would be over-flowing with metal coins; a few people would gather
more coins than others and soon there would be a coin shortage so more coins would need to be made.

Within a few short decades the weight of the coins would become so cumbersome everyone in the Nation would have Hernias.

Paper money is so much more attractive to eliminate the above.

So a Nation needs a Department or Group or Company or whatever you want to call it, to handle, create, control, etc. the Money a Nation uses as a Bartering tool.

We have something called the Federal Reserve, a quasi government/private entity that controls the paper money in the U.S.A.
The Treasury Department is responsible for the coins in the U.S.A.

And with the way that Congress operates, I would rather have the Federal Reserve set up the way it is,(Independent) than to let Congress control the money (Bartering Tool).

[sometimeman]

Mr Bubba,

Paper money is fine as long as it says "pay to the bearer on demand"
when it doesn't, it has no "intrinsic value" It is just paper. ours is "fiat money" It is just paper.

Mr. Bubba, Our whole fincial system is "fractional reserve" banking. This is a pyramid scheme. It means there is not enough money for everybody to have their money. Loss of confidence in the system "or a lack trust" will cause its collapse.

We have something called the Federal Reserve, a quasi government/private entity that controls the paper money in the U.S.A.

Bubba, there is nothing governmental about the Federal Reserve. It is a private corporation controlled by about eleven families. It is franchise. Milton McGregor runs a Dog Track in Tuskegee, Al. It is an illegal, uncodified franchise by the State of Alabama. Milton keeps the other gambling enterprises beat back by pay offs to the legislators.


And with the way that Congress operates, I would rather have the Federal Reserve set up the way it is,(Independent) than to let Congress control the money (Bartering Tool).

Congress controls the money Bubba. It is called the "Budget" We get budget money from the Federal Reserve and pay them to let us have it! Nancy Pelosi is the most powerful person in Government. If she were not completely ignorant she could control the legislation and Bush would beg for money. Tom Murphy did it in Atlanta.

So a Nation needs a Department or Group or Company or whatever you want to call it, to handle, create, control, etc. the Money a Nation uses as a Bartering tool.

That is a Governmental function and stated in the Constitution, Article 1 Section 8! To Whit:

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

What ails you Bubba? Are you a domestic enemy?

Let me repeat,Bubba, The ROOT of our troubles is the idea that we have to have a Federal Reserve!

You have the wrong idea Bubba.

[bubbadebubba]

Sometimer-you need to read ALL of the below link:::

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve

[bubbadebubba]

""Paper money is fine as long as it says "pay to the bearer on demand" ""

Neither do Coins have on them "pay to the bearer on demand".

And what would you pay the bearer? Gold? Silver? Copper?

Then we are back to square one, everyone carrying around 50 lb sacks of coins with Hernias.

[bubbadebubba]

""Congress controls the money Bubba. It is called the "Budget" We get budget money from the Federal Reserve and pay them to let us have it!""

The government gets money from the Fed Reserve, I don't.

I bartered my skills for a commodity called money, whether it's paper or coins makes no difference because I can use to barter for anything I want.

The Federal REserve is authorized by Congress, The Board is appointed by the President with Senate approval. Congress has always delegated certain responsibilities to authorized enities.

The Fed Reserve is the National Banking Clearing House for all authorized monies to be used for bartering in the U.S.A.

[sometimeman]

Bubba, I want the Government to do it. Thats what the constitution calls for. I like the Constitution.
Federal Reserve officers do not have to "run" for office!

[bubbadebubba]

"Paper money is fine as long as it says "pay to the bearer on demand"

Finally;;

Paper money is backed by the Government of the United States. This backing comes from the Government taxing the people to get the money to pay the bills.
Whether debt by the government, or by a person, has to be paid, lenders accept U.S. paper money.

Would Gold be able to replace paper? No, because there is not enough gold in the World for everyone and governments. This is why paper came into being in the first place.
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There are gold coins today, take a $5 or $10 coin, (worth probably several hundred dollars), to the store and see if you can buy something for $45.

First the merchant will say the coin is only $5 or $10 and the item you want is $45, sorry no sale.

Or you will say this coin is worth several hundred dollars, I wanna buy that thing-a-ma-gig for $45 and you can give me cash back for the difference of what this coin is really worth. I expect the merchant will throw you out of the store.