AskTheWiseOldMan
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Post by AskTheWiseOldMan on Sept 20, 2007 15:02:49 GMT -4
You just cannot separate the name Clinton from Criminal Fraud. You cannot hear the name Clinton without reference to some new crime involving political office. All party bickering aside, we can survive almost anything as a nation.... but if Hillary Clinton gets anywhere near the White House it will be the end of America.
By PAT MILTON, Associated Press
NEW YORK - Federal prosecutors unsealed a criminal complaint Thursday charging Democratic fundraiser Norman Hsu with breaking campaign finance laws and creating a "massive" Ponzi scheme.
The complaint says Hsu — who raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton and others — violated campaign finance laws by making contributions to candidates in other people's names and perpetrated a Ponzi scheme to defraud victims across the United States of more than $60 million.
Robert Emmers, a spokesman for Hsu, declined to comment. Hsu's lawyer in San Francisco, Jim Brosnahan, did not immediately return phone messages Thursday.
The charges are the latest in a string of legal problems for Hsu.
In Colorado, the Mesa County sheriff released Hsu to officials from California, where he faces a 15-year-old felony theft conviction. Hsu waived extradition to California during a court hearing Wednesday, and a judge revoked his $5 million bond.
He had been captured in Colorado after skipping a scheduled court appearance in California on the theft case.
In that case, state prosecutors accused him of fraudulently persuading investors to pump money into a clothing import business that didn't actually exist. He pleaded no contest, and left town before he could be sentenced. Investigators believed he fled to Hong Kong.
The fraud case was largely forgotten when he returned to the United States and years later began aggressively raising money for Democrats, including Clinton.
His more recent troubles began this summer when news reports revealed his criminal history and a warrant was issued for his arrest. Politicians began returning his money. Clinton said she would give back $850,000.
Investors in Hsu's business ventures also began claiming that they had been duped.
Source Financing Investors, a fund run by one of the creators of the 1969 Woodstock rock festival, complained to Manhattan prosecutors that it put $40 million into Hsu business ventures that it now suspects were fraudulent.
Hsu was not expected to be in New York on Thursday to face the new charges.
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Post by queenbee on Sept 20, 2007 15:37:23 GMT -4
YEAH YEAH YEAH
I am voting for her anyway.
She can't do a worse job than has already been done.
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Post by AskTheWiseOldMan on Sept 20, 2007 18:33:51 GMT -4
Why would you even consider that? The only thing Hillary hasn't been accused of is honesty.
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Post by summerose on Sept 20, 2007 18:41:24 GMT -4
I agree with you WOM! Anyway she has already been president for 8 years!!!
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Post by shortcircuit on Sept 20, 2007 19:20:16 GMT -4
I always call her Hellary. I don't think we've got anything to worry about, I think she's too far left for most Americans liking.
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Post by summerose on Sept 22, 2007 15:54:17 GMT -4
I always call her Hellary. I don't think we've got anything to worry about, I think she's too far left for most Americans liking. I hope you are right. IMO, she is as crooked as her husband! |
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Post by Justin Melick on Sept 22, 2007 16:15:31 GMT -4
You mean she can't do a worse job than her husband? Oh yes she can and would. Higher taxes so we can fund abortions, and illegal immigrants on welfare. But of course the cost would be defrayed somewhat by the steep cuts in our defense budget and benefits for our troops.
And you think there would be less war? Wrong. Everytime a foreign leader looked at her wrong, she would declare war.
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Post by queenbee on Sept 24, 2007 14:06:39 GMT -4
WHATEVER!
I am still voting for her. She won't back down.
And she isn't for abortion, she is for a woman's right to make a choice for herself, not to be governed by man or another's opinion. In case you have forgotten men can make their choices, however women have to ask permission to make theirs. It wasn't to long ago that a woman couldn't get the pill or any type of contraceptive and someone had to make a stand for that. And it wasn't too long ago that a woman could receive fair wages for a job equal to a man's and someone took a stand for that.
Have any of you called regarding the article I posted regrding the lack of foster homes for kid's in the system, volunteering to foster or adopt?? I don't think so. Just like typical anti-choicers "We care about you until you are born, then you are on your own."
Justin you can't be pro-life and pro-war.
Illegal immigrants are already on welfare and have been since they started streaming into this country. Everyone knows that.
Again I state,
She can't do any worse than what has already been done.
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Post by 42usc1983 on Sept 24, 2007 14:29:49 GMT -4
(almost) Everyone knows that Hillary is PRO-ABORTION. In her own words.
"... I think it’s essential that as Americans we look for that common ground that we can all stand upon. The Democratic Party's core beliefs and values can guide us in reaching our goal of keeping abortion safe and legal into the next century. "
Source: Hillary Clinton Remarks to NARAL, Washington DC Jan 22, 1999
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Post by AskTheWiseOldMan on Sept 24, 2007 14:50:19 GMT -4
I like Honeybee. I usually enjoy her posts. But it flies in the face of logic to post a gazillion Bible verses on one thread and then advocate Hillary for President.
Remember that Hillary didn't even have the minimum gumption to leave Bill after his numerous affairs. She is weak, dependent on a man, indecisive and afraid to take action, an advocate of abortion, inextricably tied in with frauds and criminal money launderers, vacillates her position according to the latest polls, espouses the same position on Iran as its kidnapper-president, etc. etc.
America needs a President who brings Honor, not baggage.
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Post by queenbee on Sept 24, 2007 16:30:29 GMT -4
Hillary Clinton on the issues.
Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases. (Jun 2007)
Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too. (Nov 2006)
Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania. (Nov 2003)
Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice. (Oct 2000)
Late term abortion only if life or health are at risk. (Oct 2000)
Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose. (Jan 2000)
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare. (Jan 1999)
Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. (Jan 1999)
Reach out to teens to reduce teen sex problems. (Jan 1999)
Supports parental notice & family planning. (Feb 1997)
So are you saying that I can't vote my free will and use the Bible in my life also?
They are hundreds of women who have stayed with their "man" after he has been caught cheating, and vice versa. So you think that if a spouse is caught cheating then you should dump them regardless, even after what the Bible say's about divorce? Of course only a man can divorce a woman a woman can't divorce a man, according to the Bible.
If I live exactly according to the Bible, I would not have a job. I would stay at home, have kid's until my uterus retired or fell out and clean house and work in the field also, I would be subservant to a man and be humble and quite in his presence. NOT HAPPENING! In short I would not be able to make choices about my life only what is goverend for me. HHMMMM!
I am sure my husband would agree on all of this except for the part about all of the kid's and me not having a job.
Sorry, but don't drag the Bible into this.
See I knew I should have stayed out of politics, because everybody likes you until you tell the truth about how you really feel and then all of a sudden they don't like you because you don't agree with them.
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Post by queenbee on Sept 24, 2007 16:33:03 GMT -4
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Post by shortcircuit on Sept 24, 2007 18:34:02 GMT -4
There's nothing wrong with disagreeing as long as we don't start fighting and shooting at each other and I don't think it's quite to that level yet. It's up to everybody to decide who to vote for or not to vote for, and on top of that there's nothing wrong with making our opinion known, we may be losing all of our rights but there's no government that can take away our right to having an opinion, they might give us hell for expressing it but they can't stop us from having one. The ones who don't have the right to complain are the ones who don't vote IMHO.
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Post by queenbee on Sept 24, 2007 20:57:01 GMT -4
AMEN SC AMEN
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Post by AskTheWiseOldMan on Sept 25, 2007 10:39:43 GMT -4
Egad. I'm not so much being critical about the position. Its just that I'm a bit concerned for your safety.
This isn't Barak or Richardson, its Hillary. Quoting her and the Bible in the same paragraph seems like tempting fate. Your hair might burst into flames.
Calling it "abortion", "choice", "fell-down-a-flight-of-stairs", or "my-boyfriend-punched-me-when-I-was-two-months-pregnant" doesn't change the fact that killing a fetus is killing a fetus and legal or not it invariably leaves a baby dead and one or more young people psychologically scarred for life.
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