Jack

[sometimeman]

Dear Jack---

Learning is a difficult thing. I think the older we get, the more difficult it becomes.

You see, when we learn something, we categorize it as true, even though it may be a lie because, we place it in our minds in the category of, “it is true that, this thing is a lie”. Therefore we have learned a “bit” of “truth”.

As a result of this body of knowledge which we accumulate in our sojourn, here in this life, we have this knowledge in our minds and it is “our truth”. When any idea, or thought, concept or thing we perceive to be new comes along, we compare it to what we already know. If it agrees with what we know and have accepted as, “true”. Then, we accept this new thing as true also. Our minds all operate this way, every one of us.

But, there is truth which can not be denied no matter what is already in our mind. There is such a thing as self evident truth. That is, it true on the face of it. An example is what Christ told the people in the synagogue that day that God healed people who were not Jews. His words were self evident truth. They could not deny it! The stories he referred to were right there in their own sacred writings, in the book of the kings. They could not deny what he said even though it made them mad.
Here is what he said:

• “But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian. And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,”
KJV Luke 4:25-28

Another self evident truth now you see, we are Christians because we claim to follow Christ.
However, it is self evident truth that:

• Christ never preached a sermon from the New Testament.
• Christ never went to church on Sunday.

Yet, when we do this, we still claim to be following Christ!

I have accepted as true that, when I die, I will be dead, until the one who woke me in my mother’s womb, wakes me again. I have accepted these scriptures as true:

• For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing,
Ecclesiastes 9:5

• And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
KJV Daniel 12:2


• And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
KJV Matthew 27:52

• For David is not ascended into the heavens: KJV Acts 2:34
He is waiting! Now do you think, if David hasn’t gone to Heaven that, I’ll get to go before the resurrection? Why would God “pay me off early” but make David wait?

Because the scriptures say, David is not in heaven doesn’t mean he will not go to heaven. This is when I think David will go and this is also when I expect to go to heaven:

• For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. KJV 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
This fits with the rest of scripture. With Daniel, With Solomon, With Mathew With the acts,

There are verses that seem to indicate an existence which is not interrupted by the first death. Paul Writes: “We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.” KJV 2 Corinthians 5:8.

To say that this verse says we go to heaven when we die, does not fit at all with the rest of the Scriptures or even with Paul himself because, he also writes:

• “For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing”. KJV 2 Timothy 4:6-8

Clearly Paul expected to wait until “that day” Clearly he didn’t expect to go ahead of others but, to receive his reward along with “all them also that love his appearing” “Christ and Paul taught that the first death is like a sleep that no one can wake us from except the life giver. Those who suffer the second death are never awake any more.

Christ words:
• Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? KJV John 11:25-26

Clearly are in harmony with:
• Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. KJV John 11:11
Lazarus was asleep in the grave as are others, “who sleep in the dust of the earth”

“Whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die” [the second death] They only sleep in their graves or the dust of the earth, awaiting the call of the life giver.

Once we understand there are two deaths in the scriptures and the scriptures define the first death as a sleep then, verses which might seem not to be in harmony, are found to be clearly in agreement.

The scriptures teach, not only are there two deaths, there are also two births and two resurrections. If we are born twice we only suffer the first death. If we are only born once not only do we suffer the first death that comes to every man but, from which there is hope of resurrection and some will also suffer the second death from which there is no resurrection and they truly are dead and not just asleep as Christ taught about the first death.

We love Christ because he first loved us and came to rescue us. It is true the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life.

The words from and old county hymn come to mind.

Mother's not dead, she's only a-sleeping
Just patiently waiting for Jesus to come
The birds will be singing while mother is sleeping
They will sing o're her as the grave sinks a-way

I am in complete agreement with the apostle John when he writes,
“Even so come Lord Jesus”

----------Sometimeman

[summerose]

Who is Jack?

[sometimeman]

Jack is a Retired Bugetel Hotel/Motel Manager, Sunday School Teacher.
Occasionally I, think he may be a relation of the Shitte family

[queenbee]

I have heard of the Shitte family.

Great reading and points to ponder.

Makes a body think. I am going to be cremated, so where will I lie in wait until I called to stand in judgement? And if I live a good wholesome life adn go to heaven and stand next to a serial murderer who accepted God at the last minute, will he be just as entitled as me?

I need to move this to questions topic I started.

[sometimeman]

"B" You got a brain. I'm impressed to tell you I love you.
Get yourself buried and not burned It want matter none to you, you'll be dead but, it leaves a grave, a place for your children, grand children, husband, others that are left alive, to come to when they get to remembering you.

They took Joseph's bones with them when they left Egypt. People remember. They care.

[sometimeman]

"B" said, "I am going to be cremated, so where will I lie in wait until I called to stand in judgement? And if I live a good wholesome life adn go to heaven and stand next to a serial murderer who accepted God at the last minute, will he be just as entitled as me?"

O how I wish all my fingers would work on this key board! I can't type with but two fingers.

God is beyond my understandng. I don't know how you got put together in your mother's womb.
I don't know how my grand daughter's tooth grew in her mouth where the baby tooth came out from. (we put it under her pillow for the tooth fairy).

What happens to the body after death doesn't matter God can handle it with no problem. We come up from the grave the same as we went into it.
The scriptures say, "It is appointed unto man once to die and after this, the judgement"
There is no second chance and there is no one else to do the work for us. We must settle things between us and God while there is breath in our bodies. And when it is done, it is done. Don't go back and take up old ways. Leave them be. God will lead you and preserve you. An't nothing too hard for him.

Yes "B" the serial killer will be just as entitled! The blood from Jesus veins entitles us all.

[queenbee]

My bil say's that the serial killer would not receive as many rewards in heaven as I would.

We like to discuss my questions, I think it get's him to pondering because they aren't the one's you usually hear.

I do hand painted signs and will be working on one that say's "Jesus knows me, this I love"

[queenbee]

As for buried I don't like the idea of just laying around, taking up space and decaying, too nasty.

I want to be cremated and my ashes scattered from Brasstown Bald, I don't want to be anywhere but in the mountains.

Besides I want my family to remember and think about me in their surroundings and memories and everyday lives, not just when they visit a piece of ground to be all sad and upset.

And when I die I have asked for everyone to get together, bring a dish, share a laugh and stand around and talk about how wonderful I was. Remind my family of my good qualities and strange sense of humor. No boo-hooing, whispering and quiet moments. I want everyone to celebrate my life. And ya'll are invited.

[summerose]

My dad says he wants to be cremated cause when you die, you turn into slime and being cremated is not as messy or expensive. I wonder what God thinks about that though?

[sometimeman]

Thanks for the invitation "B"
I'd much rather see you alive.

[sometimeman]

More of "Jack"

For my friend Jack, The Sunday School Teacher.
The best Neighbor in all the world.
The man I hope to live next to in heaven.

Before we begin it must be understood that our English bibles are not the original language in which scriptures were written. I sometimes talk to people who don't understand this very basic principle, but it is totally true. The King James Version was the first major translation into English and was created approximately 1600 years after the Messiah came to earth. When you read your King James Bible and see the word "LORD", where the letters are all capitals, it's God's personal name, a name known and used by his people but has been left out or covered over in more than 6000 places in the old testament and 1000 in the new testament!
Most all translations in various languages have chosen to replace the name "Yahweh" with another title or name of their choice, usually "the LORD" or "GOD" in all capital letters.

How many different Bible Translations do you have lying around your home? The following is a commentary on the prefaces and introductions found in these versions:

New International Version
Today's English Version
Revised English Bible
American Standard Version
Revised Standard Version
New King James Version

Reading the prefaces found in these, you can see how they attempt to explain their reasoning for removing the Heavenly Father's name from English bibles. We are all influenced by what others do and not enough of us know God's name so that those who do hardly ever speak it because they are influenced those who do not! So lets see what the preface to the various Bible translations have to say. And remember a Preface is what the translators had to say about their own work! Let us start with the ever-popular NIV...

New International Version - Preface
"In regard to the divine name YHWH, commonly referred to as the Tetragrammaton, the translators adopted the device used in most English versions of rendering that name as "LORD" in capital letters to distinguish it from adonai, another Hebrew word rendered "Lord" for which small letters are used. Wherever the two names stand together in the Old Testament as a compound name for God, they are rendered "Sovereign LORD.""

Comments
• the translators adopted the device used in most English versions ,This statement runs true in the majority of modern English translations. The primary reasoning for replacing the name of Yahweh with something else is 'tradition'. In other words, "As long as everyone else does it, it must be okay".

• adonai, another Hebrew word rendered "Lord., We can see already that replacing the name "Yahweh" with "The LORD" presents a major problem. What do they do when there is a legitimate use of the title "Lord/Master" in the original text? It might be confusing to the reader as to whether it is speaking of a human lord/master or Yahweh. So what to do? Their solution is to make the "Adonai" source in small letters and where the name of Yahweh exists, they'll put capital letters! In other words, if it reads "Adonai (lord/master)" In the original they will translate it as "lord" or "Lord". But if it says "Yahweh" in the original, they will render it as "LORD" in all capital letters. I doubt that half the people who read the scriptures even realizes they are doing this.

• "Sovereign LORD., Now we see that a more complicated problem arises. There are instances in scripture that the Hebrew reads "Adonai Yahweh" or "Lord/Master Yahweh". If they were to put "Lord" where Yahweh exists in the original, they would have to translate the passage as "Lord the LORD"! So they translated it as "Sovereign LORD" to avoid confusion. Amazing what people will do to serve tradition and reject what Yahweh has placed in scripture!



Today's English Version - Preface
"Following an ancient tradition, begun by the first translation of the Hebrew Scriptures (the Septuagint) and followed by the vast majority of English translations, the distinctive Hebrew name for God (usually transliterated Jehovah or Yahweh), is in this translation represented by "LORD." When Adonai, normally translated "Lord," occurs preposed to Yahweh, the combination is rendered by the phrase "Sovereign LORD.""

Comments
• Following an ancient tradition, Again, tradition is the reason.

• begun by the first translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, So the "Today's English Version" uses the same renderings as the NIV. All on the basis of following the others!



Revised English Bible - Introduction to the Old Testament
"The divine name (YHWH in Hebrew characters) was probably pronounced 'Yahweh', but the name was regarded as ineffable, too sacred to be pronounced. The Massoretes, therefore, wrote in the vowel signs of the alternative words adonai ('Lord') or elohim ('God') to warn readers to use one of these in its place. Where the divine name occurs in the Hebrew text, this has been signalled in The Revised English Bible by using capital letters for 'LORD' or 'GOD', a widely accepted practice".

Comments
• probably pronounced 'Yahweh', One excuse some use for not keeping Yahweh's name in the text is that they aren't sure His name is really pronounced "Yahweh". But if a translator ever admitted that His name was definitely pronounced 'Yahweh' I'm sure they would have to answer for why they don't translate it as such. Not much motivation for seeking the truth? Maybe they really don't want to know that His name really pronounced "Yahweh"?

• too sacred to be pronounced Yes, this was the doctrine that got this whole idea started. But what does the Bible say?: Jere 10:25a Pour out thy fury upon the heathen that know thee not, and upon the families that call not on thy name..
and...Joel 2:32a And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the YAHWEH shall be delivered..
How can anyone call on His name if it is hidden away by superstitious doctrines?

• The Massoretes, therefore, wrote., The Massoretes were who copied and preserved the Hebrew scriptures from scroll to scroll down through the ages. They added 'vowel signs/pointings' to the Hebrew text (which was primarily all consonants) so the language would be preserved. But when they came to the name of Yahweh, they inserted alternative vowel pointings so that the reader would not speak the name of Yahweh but say "adonai" (lord) instead. So we can see that through the ages, there has been a conspiracy to hide the name of Yahweh Almighty despite what Yahweh says in His word about how we should praise, exalt, bless, love, teach, preach, anoint, assemble, believe, give thanks, honor and call on His name.

• widely accepted practice, Since it is 'widely accepted', does it mean it's truth and acceptable to do? Not according to the Bible. It says the way to life is a narrow way.
Matt 7:14 (NKJV) "Because narrow [is] the gate and difficult [is] the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

American Standard Version - Preface
"The change first proposed in the Appendix --- that which substitutes "Jehovah" for "LORD" and "GOD" (printed in small capitals) --- is one which will be unwelcome by many, because of the frequency and familiarity of the terms displaced. But the American Revisers, after a careful consideration, were brought to the unanimous conviction that a Jewish superstition, which regarded the Divine Name as too sacred to be uttered, ought no longer to dominate in the English or any other version of the Old Testament, as it fortunately does not in the numerous versions made by modern missionaries. This Memorial Name, explained in Ex. iii. 14,15 and emphasized as such over and over in the original text of the Old Testament, designates God as the Personal God, as the covenant God, the God of Revelation, the Deliverer, the Friend of his people; --- not merely the abstractly "Eternal One" of many French translations, but the ever living Helper of those who are in trouble. This personal name, with its wealth of sacred associations, is now restored to the place in the sacred text to which it has an unquestionable claim."

Comments
• which will be unwelcome by many Now with some reservation I would almost have to admire those who translated the American Standard 1901 version. They at least tried to restore some truth (even though they knew it would be unwelcome) and reject the ridiculous tradition of hiding and substituting the name of Yahweh from the common reader.

• and emphasized as such over and over They can see that the scriptures do place importance on His name..over and over and over... But if you read the translation you will see that they insert the false "Jehovah" rendering that was used a total of 4 times in the King James Version! But most every scholar knows that "Jehovah" is a falsification of Yahweh's name.


Revised Standard Version - Preface
"A major departure from the practice of the American Standard Version is the rendering of the Divine Name, the "Tetragrammaton." The American Standard Version used the term "Jehovah"; the King James Version had employed this in four places, but everywhere else, except in three cases where it was employed as part of a proper name, used the English word LORD (or in certain cases GOD) printed in capitals. The present revision returns to the procedure of the King James Version, which follows the precedent of the ancient Greek and Latin translators and the long established practice in the reading of the Hebrew scriptures in the synagogue. While it is almost if not quite certain that the Name was originally pronounced "Yahweh", this pronunciation was not indicated when the Masoretes added vowel signs to the consonantal Hebrew text. To the four consonants YHWH of the Name, which had come to be regarded as too sacred to be pronounced, they attached vowel signs indicating that in its place should be read the Hebrew word Adonai meaning "Lord" (or Elohim meaning "God"). The ancient Greek translators substituted the word Kyrios (Lord) for the Name. The Vulgate likewise used the Latin word Dominus. The form "Jehovah" is of late medieval origin; it is a combination of the consonants of the Divine Name and the vowels attached to it by the Masoretes but belonging to an entirely different word. The sound of Y is represented by J and the sound of W by V, as in Latin. For two reasons the Committee has returned to the more familiar usage of the King James Version: (1) the word "Jehovah" does not accurately present any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew; and (2) the use of any proper name for the one and only God, as though there were other gods from whom He had to be distinguished, was discontinued in Judaism before the Christian era and is entirely inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church."

Comments
Now here is the preface that really bothers me the most. The Revised Standard Version translators have chosen not only to depart from the practice of the ASV translators but to berate them as well. It is in one way justified in that the ASV chose the name "Jehovah" instead of "Yahweh". So here we go with this 'long standing tradition' routine again. I'm not sure why they cannot see where it is written in the scriptures:
Mark 7:9 He said to them, "All too well you reject the commandment of Yahweh, that you may keep your tradition.

• almost if not quite certain, Again, they wouldn't dare admit that they are totally certain. However it is totally certain that His name is not pronounced "The Lord".
• was not indicated when the Masoretes added vowel signs, Of course not, they favored tradition over commandments!

• substituted the word Kyrios (Lord) for the Name, They even share how this idea of substituting His name got started. It amazes me that some will follow the Jewish tradition that breaks the commandment of Yahweh but they'll ignore the Jew's examples of where they actually do keep the Torah/Law of Yahweh!

• the word "Jehovah" does not accurately present any form of the Name ever used, Ahh! Notice how they conveniently forget to mention why they reject the name "Yahweh" in their 'reasons'!

• entirely inappropriate, Who are they to decide what is appropriate for one's faith?? Their job is to translate, not decide what we are to believe! This statement is a sad commentary of how far some have gone from the scriptures. Not only do they say why they have chosen to replace Yahweh's name with a title of their choosing but they also state that 'use of any proper name...is entirely inappropriate!' Amazing! Who invented the idea of having a name of our Creator? Is it not Yahweh Himself?? Is Yahweh also 'entirely inappropriate' for placing His name there in scripture over 6000 times?? Are they saying indeed that the one whom they claim to worship is 'entirely inappropriate' for placing His name there? Oh my! They say it is 'entirely inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church.' Why have a different substitution for the name "Yahweh" in each language? Would it not be more 'universal' to use ONE NAME? Yahweh has said:
Mala 1:11a (NKJV) For from the rising of the sun, even to its going down, My name shall be great among the Gentiles..
Why have they falsified our Creator's name and condemned Yahweh for putting it there originally? It is just sad.

New King James Version -
Word study on Exodus 3:15 (New Open Bible)

Now I do like this word study. Even though the NKJV translators followed the traditions of the elders and forsook the idea of keeping Yahweh's name in the text, whoever wrote this word study is very frank about what actually is taking place.
"Exodus 3 records one of the greatest revelations in the Old Testament: the personal name of God. (The words translated God in our Bible [El, Elohim, Eloah] are not names, but the standard vocabulary for the Deity and even for false gods.
God told Moses His plan to use him in delivering the Israelites from Egyptian bondage, and Moses had asked whom He should tell the people had sent him. God answered Moses: "I AM WHO I AM." He told Moses to tell them the "I AM" had sent him, "the LORD God." "I AM" and "LORD" are both probably derived from the Hebrew verb to be (hayah) because God is the ever-present One, "the Eternal" (Moffatt translation).
Many people are puzzled that in this and many other (over six thousand!) passages some Bibles read LORD in all capitals (e.g., KJV, NKJV, NIV), some read "Jehovah" (ASV, DARBY), and some read "Yahweh" (Jerusalem Bible). Why such a radical difference? Do the manuscripts vary that much? No, not at all.
Because the name of God is so important---Jews devoutly refer to Him as "the Name" (ha Shem)---it is well worth exploring this revelation in some detail. It is merely a question of a Jewish tradition and how various Christian Scholars handle that tradition.
In the Ten Commandments, God forbids taking His name "in vain". That is, we should not bear false witness in oaths and probably should avoid using profanity, as well. In their great fear of violating this command, devout Hebrews went beyond the law, and when they read the Hebrew Scriptures aloud they would read the word Lord (Adonai) whenever they saw the four letters (YHWH, or traditionally JHVH in Latin pronunciation) that spelled out God's revealed covenant name. This was the sacred name by which He had committed Himself to Israel as a nation.
The most ancient copies of the Hebrew text were written in consonants only.
Actually there are some semi-vowels..as any good book on Hebrew grammar will tell you.
As the language became less and less used, scholars (call Masoretes) added little dots and dashes called "vowel points" to indicate how the text was to be pronounced. Oddly enough, they put the vowels that go with the word Adonai together with the sacred four letter name (called "tetragrammaton") to guide the readers to say Adonai aloud in synagogue services.
Jehovah
This is the origin of the name "Jehovah." It is actually a hybrid name, combining the vowels of Adonai with the consonants of YHWH into JeHoVaH or YeHoWaH (the "a" of Adonai is changed for reasons of Hebrew pronunciation). The people who produced this name were medieval Christian Hebrew Scholars; the Jews never acknowledged such a name. The defense of this Christian hybrid is the same as the defense of the Jewish avoidance of pronouncing the name---tradition!
No surprise there.
There are many lovely hymns and paraphrases of the Psalms that use this name, so it would be a loss to eliminate it from our Christian vocabulary.
Choose 'what seems right to a man' over the truth?
The poetical form of Jehovah is Jah
Yahweh -
It is very likely that the name was pronounced very much like "Yahweh." Comparisons with transliterations of the name into other alphabets from very ancient times confirm this. The best argument for the spelling is that it is probably the historically accurate.

However, the RSV's 1952 introduction explained its reason for rejecting "Yahweh" in the translation. It said that it lacks devotional qualities for English-speaking Christians. It is true that many names beginning with "Y" seem odd to our culture (all the names in English --- including Jesus---were pronounced with a Y sound, in the original, as in "hallelu-Yah").
Just totally amazing...
LORD
Most recent major English Bibles, dissatisfied with both Jehovah and Yahweh, have retained the KJV's LORD (the 1901 text read Jehovah.)
Oh but Yahweh is certainly dissatisfied with THEM. They have failed to take in account something very important to HIM.

The following is a summary of the excuses that they have used for their refusing to insert the true name Yahweh.
• It's used in most English versions
• We're following an ancient tradition
• The word "Jehovah" does not accurately present any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew (What about "Yahweh"??)
• Use of any proper name...is entirely inappropriate
• It lacks devotional qualities
Amongst all these reasons, is there not something missing here?
YES, it is something that they have gone over painstakingly word for word! Something called THE WORD OF YAHWEH. Not once did they quote a scripture to back up their excuses!
We have heard the excuses, now let's see what Yahweh's word has to say about His name:
1Kings 18:24-AV And call ye on the name of your elohim, and I will call on the name of Yahweh: and the Elohim that answereth by fire, let him be Elohim. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.
Now I would like to touch on something ironic here. If you haven't read this story of Mt. Carmel, go to your scriptures and read it now. This is the prophet EliYah (Elijah) speaking these words. He said "call ye on the name of your elohim, and I will call on the name of Yahweh". What was the name of their elohim? It is BAAL. What is amazing here is that Baal means "Lord" in Hebrew! Here is Brown's Driver/Briggs Lexicon on this Hebrew name of "Baal".
01168 Ba`al {bah'-al}
the same as 01167; TWOT - 262a
AV - Baal 62, Baalim 18; 80
Baal = "lord"
n pr m
1) supreme male divinity of the Phoenicians or Canaanites
2) a Reubenite
3) the son of Jehiel and grandfather of Saul
n pr loc
4) a town of Simeon, probably identical to Baalath-beer

There is your proof. What is sad is that the translators RETAINED the name of the idol Baal but REJECTED the name of the true Mighty One of the Scriptures!
Continuing with our scriptures..Yahweh said:
• Isai 42:8 I am YAHWEH, that is My name; And My glory I will not give to another, Nor My praise to carved images.
• Malach 2:2 If you will not hear, And if you will not take it to heart, To give glory to My name," Says YAHWEH of hosts, "I will send a curse upon you, And I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have cursed them already, Because you do not take it to heart.
• Psal 105:1 Oh, give thanks to YAHWEH! Call upon His name; Make known His deeds among the peoples!
• Psalms 116:17- I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and will call upon the name of YAHWEH.
• Isaiah 12:4 And in that day you will say: "Praise YAHWEH, call upon His name; Declare His deeds among the peoples, Make mention that His name is exalted.
• Zechariah 13:9- And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, Yahweh is my Elohim.

This is only a small sampling of the hundreds of scriptures that tell us of the importance of His name. I invite you to consider these and many others.

You should know that Joshua called God's name when he said in:

Joshua 24:15 "And if it seem evil unto you to serve Yahweh, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve Yahweh"

You should know when God answered Eliyah's prayer and the fire fell that all the people said in:
1Kings 18:39. Yahweh, he is the God; Yahweh, he is the God

You should know that one of the last words the giant Goliath heard was God's name. It was spoken to him by the lips of the small boy who stood before him and told him what was going to happen to him!

It is very evident that Yahweh's name is important to Him but it apparently was not important to those who have translated His word into the English language.

There is a translation of the scriptures that uses God's personal, literal name and as you would expect it is called "The Literal Bible" The words are numbered so as to aid in looking them up in the various dictionaries to enable you to more correctly understand just what is being said

A sample from this translation as found in Exodus 3:14-15 follows. Don't be confused by the numbers and the word order. Read verse 15. See word # 3068. This is God's name!

13.
|0559| And said
|4872| Moses
|0413| to
|0430| God,
|2009| Look,
|0935| I {will} come to
|1121| the sons of
|3478| Israel
|0559| and say
|0000| to them,
|0430| The God of
|0001| your forefathers
|7971| has sent me
|0000| to you.
|0559| And they will say
|0000| to me,
|4100| What {is}
|8034| his name?
|0559| What will I say
|0000| to them?
14. |
0559| And said
|0430| God
|0413| to
|4872| Moses,
|1961| I AM
|0834| who
|1961| I AM!
|0559| And He said,
|3541| Thus
|0559| you will say
|1121| to the sons of
|3478| Israel,
|1961| I AM
|7971| has sent me
|0000| to you.
15.
|0559| And said
|5750| again
|0430| God
|0413| to
|4872| Moses,
|3541| thus,
|0559| You will say
|0413| to
|1121| the sons of
|3478| Israel,
|3068| Yahweh,
|0430| the God of
|0001| your forefathers,
|0430| the God of
|0085| Abraham,
|0430| the God of
|3327| Isaac,
|0430| and the God of
|3290| Jacob
|7971| has sent me
|0000| to you.
|0000| This {is}
|8034| My name
|5769| forever, and this {is}
|2143| My title
|1755| to generation
|1755| of generation.

• This is the same word Joshua spoke when he said, "as for me and my house……"
• This is the same word shouted by the people who, because of Jezebel and her many priests, were confused as to which god really was GOD. But Oh! Elijah prayed. And when the fire fell, it helped them to understand!
• This is the same word David said to Goliath before he killed him!
• This is the word left out by the translators of the various versions of scripture!
• This is the word now forever a part of your vocabulary!

[sometimeman]

Now "Miss Georgia" Is Jack's wife you see. When she was born they called her "Ester Rose" But she calls herself Georgia. Now you see she thinks I should send my money to Israel because of the Abrahamic Covenant You know the one between him and God where they cut the animal into parts and waited.

Miss Georgia. -- When reading the bible, if we get one idea from reading something in the Old Testament and we read about the same idea in the New Testament and it explains it different should we go with the Old or the New?
When Paul wrote his letter to the Galatians did he know what he was talking about?

Galatians, chapter 3


Compare with Revised Standard Version: Gala.03

1: O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2: This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3: Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4: Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5: He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6: Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7: Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8: And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9: So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10: For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11: But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12: And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13: Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15: Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16: Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.[/size]
17: And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18: For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19: Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20: Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21: Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22: But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23: But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24: Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25: But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26: For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27: For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29: And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


According to Paul ,what ever God promised Abraham, I am an heir to it. I am not a bastard child of God. I am adopted into the "family". I cannot be left out of "the will"

I want my piece of Israel!!!

[sometimeman]

I wrote this for my Sunday School teacher friend "Jack"
Now you see Jack don't know no better and he just keeps ruining other folks minds.
Now I wish some of you would look up and post the bible texts that are alluded to in this here, cause I just know they are in there some where?

WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT THE JEWS

Remember the “Passion of the Christ”? The film about the sufferings of Jesus?
Please spend a few minutes reading here and understand why he was made to suffered so.

Jesus was a “Jew”. He went to the Jewish Church (Synagogue). And, he read from and spoke from the Jewish Bible (the Torah), which is our Old Testament. It is interesting to take note what day of the week he went to church on and what scriptures he used. I see people today, using bibles that contain only the New Testament and Psalms and they claim to follow Jesus.

He spoke about his people, “the Jews”. Notice the stories which he told and the obvious meaning of these stories. Notice the effect these had on the people and how this eventually led to his passion and death.

Jesus told a whole church full of people that; God also “took care of the “gentiles”. And, he proved it to them from their scriptures. The people in the church got so mad at him, they wanted to kill him. They took him out of the church to throw him down a steep bank and kill him.

Jesus’ actions demonstrated to the “Jews” that while God’s church was supposed to be a house of prayer for all people, they had actually turned his church into a den of thieves!

Jesus told a story, in which Jews were not heroes but were the bad guys! He told about a man of another race, not a Jew but a Samaritan, was the hero of the story. The two “Jews” in the story, were the Jewish “Levite” and a “Priest”, these were not the heroes but were villains!

Jesus said there were good and bad people. He said we were to judge people by their actions.

Jesus told the “Jews” they were children of the Devil.

What Jesus said about the “Jews” eventually caused them to have him killed.

Today the descendants of these “bad” Jews and their State of Israel have a death grip on the American Government and are causing Americans to behave like animals and treat people like animals. They will do to America what their ancestors did to Christ. It is soon to be the "Passion of America"


We should read our bibles and understand there are “good Jews” and there are “bad Jews” and we should act accordingly. Just because some popular Pastor with a huge church says all inclusive things regarding the Jews, this does not mean we should do as he says but, rather we should always remember what Jesus said about the “Jews”.