Glad to be here

[The Minister]

I am the new moderator for this and a few other sections. It is a very good honor to meet you all.

"I will grant peace in the land, and you will lie down and no one will make you afraid. I will remove savage beasts from the land, and the sword will not pass through your country."

Leviticus 26:6

[bb]

Glad you are here, Reverend!

[summerose]

Welcome Reverend! We have been needing a man of the cloth on here for a long time.

[sometimeman]

Yes! Welcome Preacher!

Psalms, psalm 111

"1": Praise ye the LORD. I will praise the LORD with my whole heart, in the assembly of the upright, and in the congregation.

"2": The works of the LORD are great, sought out of all them that have pleasure therein.

"3": His work is honourable and glorious: and his righteousness endureth for ever.

"4": He hath made his wonderful works to be remembered: the LORD is gracious and full of compassion.

"5": He hath given meat unto them that fear him: he will ever be mindful of his covenant.

"6": He hath shewed his people the power of his works, that he may give them the heritage of the heathen.

"7": The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.

"8": They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.

"9": He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.

"10": The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Preacher... Ahh, Pastor I have been blessed enough to have known several men of the "cloth". I got the impression some them were sort of "plastic" and didn't show too much sign of being real humans.

Seems like I remember at least one of them sort of shunned folks calling him "reverend". Things sort of got around to me finding out why he didn't use the title "Reverend"

Now to the best of my recollection, here's what I remember he said.
He said the word "reverend" wasn't used that much in the scripture, maybe only once and then he felt like it was a reference to God. So, he didn't feel comfortable letting folks what didn't know any better apply it to him, cause he was just a mere mortal human.

Now on account of that and what the scripture says and all, I just sort of feel more comfortable calling men of the "cloth" preacher

So, I hope I want get "moderated" if I refer to you as preacher

[shortcircuit]

You're right sometimeman. I know of several preachers who don't like being called "reverend". I can't remember exactly where but somewhere in the Bible it says that only God's name is to be reverenced. And welcome preacher man, it's good to have you here! We're gonna have to start up some arguments about doctrines and traditions and get you broke in!

[sometimeman]

Hi Tulip.
I don't suppose all them exclamations are a challenge?
Don't ya'll kinda put tradition on the same level with scripture anyway?

[queenbee]

That's ok Rev, they won't let me be God anymore.....

I am now a Ranger.....

[queenbee]

That's right sometimer, it's shorty that disagrees with me.
I get you two mixed up occasionally.

I have sometimers. Sometimes I can remember and Sometimes I can't

[sometimeman]

You can't have it! I refuse to give any away!
I must keep all I have otherwise what excuse can I use?

[The Minister]

I care not what any man calls me. Christ has called me his.

[sometimeman]

Now Preacher, I'm glad of that because I am going to call you preacher.
I done showed you where the word "reverend" appears only once in all of the whole King James! And then the scriptures applied its use to the word "LORD". Now preacher I don't believe it wise to let that be applied to you because, you are just a mere mortal like myself.

Preacher, that word "LORD", When it is in all upper case font, in the King James, is put there by the translators because thats where God's own personal name was. It is the "Tetragramaton"
So you see now Preacher, God is the one who is "reverend".

We are not to be "revered" in no shape, nor form, nor fashion.
All that is due to God. And nothing, not one bit, not one iota, zero, none nadda, zilch, is due to us.
When you let some one call you "reverend" it indicates you approve of taking something that belongs only to God. It indicates the depth of being "unlearned. Both, in the one calling a mortal reverend and the one accepting the term applied to himself.

Preacher, you need to be real particular about taking something due only to God!

Of Course now, if you going go against the Scriptures and go with tradition, like that outfit you are signed on with, you need to understand that you are building your house on sand!

[bb]

Use of the term reverend...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverend
It all depends on what translatation of the Bible you want to use and what you believe. Get off the soap box. Not everyone reads the version you do and not everyone uses the word like you do, sometimeman... Your reality is not everyone elses reality.
A simple example is the term "long handles"... I have never heard the term until I was in this neck of the woods; for lots of people long handles are known as long johns or thermal underwear. You have made your point and it is getting really monotonous.

[sometimeman]

bb, From the Catholic Jerusalem Translation of the Scriptures
bb, "I would not have you to be ignorant brethern"

The concept we are discussing is found in verse 9 of psalm 111.

The Preacher's outfit's, translation uses the words "holy and awesome" compared to where the King James used the word "Reverend"

So, bb you think it appropriate that Preacher be referred to as "holy and awesome"
I suppose you want to call Al Sharpton, "holy and awesome"
And Jessie Jackson, "holy and awesome"!!

Some how I just don't think the "Preacher" wants us to call him "holy and awesome"

Now I agree completely with the Jerusalem translations use of God's personal name, "Yahweh" I think it is exactly correct and I agree 100% with the Psalmist! GOD is "holy and awesome" and no mortal man, even if he is a man of the cloth, should assume words used to describe God and apply those words unto himself!

Not only are you"unlearned" bb, you are completely out of line to try and make a wrong ......right!

PSALM 111 (V 110)
In praise of Yahweh*s deeds

1Alleluia!
Aleph
I give thanks to Yahweh with all my heart,
Bet
in the meeting*place of honest people, in the assembly.

Gimel
2Great are the deeds of Yahweh,
Dalet
to be pondered by all who delight in them.

He
3Full of splendour and majesty his work,
Waw
his saving justice stands firm for ever.

Zain
4He gives us a memorial of his great deeds;
Het
Yahweh is mercy and tenderness.

Tet
5He gives food to those who fear him,
Yod
he keeps his covenant ever in mind.

Kaph
6His works show his people his power
Lamed
in giving them the birthright of the nations.

Mem
7The works of his hands are fidelity and justice,
Nun
all his precepts are trustworthy,

Samek
8established for ever and ever,
Ain
accomplished in fidelity and honesty.


Pe
9Deliverance he sends to his people,
Zade
his covenant he imposes for ever;
Qoph
holy and awesome his name.

Resh
10The root of wisdom is fear of Yahweh;
Shin
those who attain it are wise.
Taw
His praise will continue for ever.

[sometimeman]

bb,
Easter is coming. On this scripture ,thing you seem to be learning toward "tradition" rather than the plain word of the scriptures.

When that ol' boy loads that back hoe up and drives away from that cemetery and leaves you laying there buried in the ground, do you think tradition is going to be the one that raises you up out of the grave?

Why don't you commit yourself to God, learn about him and give up on tradition because listen to me now bb, tradition an't going to get you out of the ground!

bb, what God thinks of you, is a whole lot more important than what your neighbors think!

[shortcircuit]

I don't really see why this argument is necessary. Kudos to the preacher for taking it all in stride and not getting involved in a flame war!