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Post by shortcircuit on Dec 8, 2007 20:36:51 GMT -4
Liberty Dollar Fights Back Published on Saturday, December 08, 2007.
Source: The Street Liberty Dollar, the firm that got raided by the FBI before Thanksgiving for trying to start a precious-metals-based currency to compete with the greenback, now says it's back in business. Well, sort of.
The company's founder, Bernard von NotHaus, said in an email Thursday that he's changed the firm's name to Liberty Dollar Numismatics. And he's also trying to raise money by converting any previously issued Liberty Dollar coins into an Arrest Dollar marked with a special miniature handcuffs hallmark.
Add to that a plan to file a class-action lawsuit and a request for donations. But NotHaus hasn't got a bank account -- the FBI closed it down after the November raid. So he's asking for checks to be made out to "Bernard," and mailed to the firm's old address in Evansville, Ind.
"We are still looking forward to our day in court," says NotHaus. "But the federal government is a formidable foe."
Liberty came to prominence in July after it started minting solid silver coins stamped with an image of Ron Paul, a Republican presidential hopeful and an avid supporter of a return to the gold-standard monetary system.
But the operation seemed to come to an abrupt halt when the Secret Service and the FBI raided the firm's Evansville office in mid-November and confiscated all materials, including the precious-metal Liberty Dollar coins and the Ron Paul dollars.
Von NotHaus says he'll take any previously issued Liberty Dollar or Ron Paul dollar coin for a fee of $10 and put the money toward his legal defense fund. He says he expects to be arrested on a multitude of charges, including money laundering and conspiracy, but he's not quite sure when.
The class-action lawsuit against the government is aimed at retrieving property owned by Liberty's customers, but which was confiscated during the raid.
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Post by shortcircuit on Dec 8, 2007 20:38:56 GMT -4
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Post by shortcircuit on Dec 8, 2007 20:53:11 GMT -4
View' hosts grill Paul on abortion Published on Thursday, December 06, 2007.
Source: RawStory GOP candidate crosses picket line to appear Ron Paul defended his anti-abortion stance during an intense grilling from the women hosting "The View" Tuesday, acknowledging that he was unlikely to convince the pro-choice women of his position and that it would be virtually impossible to completely outlaw the procedure nationally. "I don't think we're ever going to reach a stage where there will no abortions," Paul said. The Texas congressman, whose long-shot bid for the Republican nomination is gaining steam, said he would like to see Roe v. Wade overturned. But Paul said state governments should be able to decide for themselves how to regulate abortion. "But I want to sort this out the way the constitution mandates, and that is at the local level."
Paul, a former OB-GYN, said his anti-abortion position was based on his view that a fetus was a human being with the same rights as any other person. Just as he advocated personal privacy that would not give people the right's to commit murder, he did not view a woman's claim to her own body as superior to the fetus's right to life.
"It's a legal position because I honor and respect the rights of the mother. But your home too; your home is your castle," Paul said. "I don't want any government in your home: no searches without warrants, no cameras. But you can't kill your baby in your home."
The hosts spent several minutes discussing Paul's abortion position, although they spent virtually no time on the libertarian lawmaker's fierce opposition to the war in Iraq and his calls for limiting American intervention abroad, which have garnered him substantial support online.
Paul is the first candidate to appear on the popular daytime talk show since a writers strike began last month. Democratic candidates have said they would not cross picket lines to appear on The View while the strike persists; a CBS-sponsored debate could also be canceled because of Democrats refusals to participate if that network's news writers call a strike.
On Tuesday's show, Paul -- a proponent of returning to the gold standard -- said the dollar's ongoing loss of value is "one of the most serious threats we're facing today."
Paul was visibly agitated when co-host Joy Behar told him, "you probably are not going to win and you know that," then asked who among the Republicans he would be willing to vote for.
"You want those pro-war people to win?" Paul asked. "No, you don't. ... If they come around endorsing my anti-war views, and pro-free-markets and sound money, yeah I would consider it, but I don't have anybody now that I could vote for."
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Post by shortcircuit on Dec 8, 2007 20:57:01 GMT -4
Giuliani greeted with chants for rival candidate Paul Published on Monday, December 03, 2007.
Source: The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
It was Rudy Giuliani campaigning for president on the Marietta Square on Sunday afternoon, but anyone listening may well have thought the candidate's name was Ron Paul. "RON PAUL! RON PAUL! RON PAUL!" — a crowd chanted from Glover Park, effectively drowning out comments from the former New York mayor and occasionally changing the chant to "FREEDOM! FREEDOM! FREEDOM!"
The younger crowd of Paul supporters had stronger, or maybe more enthusiastic, lungs than the middle-age crowd of Giuliani's gaggle, who responded with a college try — "Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!" — while the Paul cadres tailed the GOP front runner on his walking photo op in downtown Marietta.
The Paul backers, handing out their own candidate's literature, said they were more interested in a president who would truly try to shrink government, not just promise to do it, and who promises outright to bring the troops home from Iraq.
"You're being very inconsiderate," an elderly woman, aghast at the lack of Southern manners, told a trio of young female Paul acolytes.
"You're not helping your candidate with this," a middle-aged man told a 20-something man toting a blue and white Paul campaign sign.
"This is a Republican rally," a testy older man snapped, apparently forgetting that Paul, a physician and Libertarian by philosophy, is an elected Republican and running in the GOP primary for president.
His supporters simply answered, "RON PAUL! RON PAUL! RON PAUL!"
"We just came by to say, 'Hey,'" said Rob Miller, a 35-year-old Paul supporter with a mischievious grin, who with his cohorts said their candidate would trounce Giuliani in the New Hampshire primary.
A weary looking Giuliani, in metro Atlanta for a Buckhead fundraiser, started his tour of Marietta at The Brumby Chair Co. on the west side of the historic square. The store is owned by Otis Brumby Jr., publisher of the Marietta Daily Journal.
Along with Brumby, U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.) and state House Speaker Glenn Richardson, who co-chairs Giuiani's campaign in Georgia, gave the candidate a less-boisterous welcome.
Brumby even managed to extract another campaign promise from the New Yorker, one with a distinctly local flavor.
Noting his company has been making its signature rocking chairs since 1875, Brumby said President Jimmy Carter had placed four of them – which are as Southern as a seersucker suit —on the Truman Balcony when he occupied the White House.
The publisher suggested Giuliani should up that number to five if he is elected president.
"We'll do six," Giuliani said.
In an interview afterwards, Brumby said he hadn't made up his mind who his newspaper would endorse in the Republican primary.
Isakson, when asked, stayed mum about his favorite, saying only, "I'm for the Republican candidate."
Brumby predicted Giuliani would run the best nationally of the Republican field, but he wasn't sure how he would do in Georgia or Cobb County, where many party faithful have balked at the twice-divorced politician's past of supporting gun control and abortion rights.
Giuliani, the current Republican presidential frontrunner, had about two dozen friendly people come to the square to see him — about the same number as those shouting for Paul, who is raising record number of dollars but still running in the back of the GOP pack.
Georgia England, a former New Yorker who now lives in Acworth, said she felt grateful toward Giuliani because of his legendary poise immediately following the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center.
Giuliani marched to the scene, she said; he didn't hide.
"That is the mettle of the man," she said. " I know everybody is talking about his social life, and there are things that I don't agree with, but he has courage."
But a Paul supporter, Craig Hatcher, a 33-year-old Navy veteran who lives in Powder Springs, said of Giuliani, "I wouldn't necessarily say he is a liberal. I'd say he is more of a statist who wants the government to run our lives."
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Post by paulette on Dec 9, 2007 18:15:38 GMT -4
Hello Everyone. I've been lurking for a while on these forums, this thread in particular, for a while. Today I feel the need to jump in in response to some of the recent posts.
Queenbee, first you should know that i completely respect the fact that you have a right to your own opinion, and a right to voice that opinion. (for today, anyway.) So, I mean you no disrespect when I say you couldn't be more wrong about Ron Paul. (my very widely-shared opinion).
Yes, Dr. Paul is personally opposed to abortion. But the reason he wants Roe v Wade overturned is because it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Per the Constitution, virtually all crimes are state matters. The only true federal crimes are listed in Article 1: treason, piracy, and counterfeiting. Under the 10th Amendment, all other crimes are left to the jurisdiction of the states.
And, I am so sorry, but you are so far off base thinking that Ron Paul wants to control your life. That is exactly what Ron Paul is trying to keep from happening to this country...to you and me. He wants to significantly reduce the size of the federal government and return the power, rightly, CONSTITUTIONALLY, to the states.
Queenbee, please be open-minded and do a lot more research on Ron Paul, and his stance on ALL the issues.
Thanks for listening. Have a good day.
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Post by shortcircuit on Dec 9, 2007 20:38:44 GMT -4
Welcome to the board paulette, I hope you stay with us and join in on the discussions!
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Post by paulette on Dec 9, 2007 23:01:36 GMT -4
Thanks, shortcircuit. I would like to join in...you see, I'm really getting on my husband's nerves talking about Ron Paul, or politics and government all the time.
It all started when I heard about the guy that raised $4.2 million in one day. That piqued my interest, a little, but I never bothered to look into it. (I was too busy watching TMZ or whatever...) So a day or 2 later, my husband tells me something about Ron Paul. I don't remember exactly what, but I do remember his enthusiasm about Dr. Paul and his steadfast dedication to upholding the Constitution. Well, I googled Ron Paul later that day....and I am no longer the person I was.
I will be completely honest and say the things I have learned through all the research I have done have terrified me. I have gone from an apathetic, numbed-out from too much tv, depressed self, to an online, informed, continually researching and learning more self who feels I may have a cause...feels a small part of something so much bigger. I feel I have to fight for my rights, and the rights of all Americans....before they are completely gone.
The things that have scared me the most so far are the Real ID Act, the Patriot Act, the Homegrown Terrorist Act. And I am so d***** mad at myself because this all happened while I was watching Britney meltdown onstage and Paris go to jail. Meanwhile, our country is in a complete meltdown and if I want to yell about it on the street corners, "they" can come get me, throw me in prison for 3 years and not even have to formally charge me!!! And I don't get a phone call!!
It really worries me that I have not seen one bumper sticker, yard sign, button, or anything for Ron Paul in Blairsville. I got my bumper sticker a few days ago and wear it proudly. I have talked to a few friends about Ron Paul with some success. But no one seems as fired up as I feel. What I really wish is that someone would start up a meetup group in Blairsville. Folks around here need to hear Dr. Paul's message!
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Post by sometimeman on Dec 10, 2007 15:24:30 GMT -4
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Post by shortcircuit on Dec 10, 2007 19:22:16 GMT -4
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Post by sometimeman on Dec 12, 2007 7:29:46 GMT -4
I never met the man, but I love him. I love what he stands for. He is consistent. He is no flip flopper. I intend to put my money where my mouth is. I hope you will also. Paulette summed up most people in her post. We've lost our government while our minds were on stuff that doesn't really matter. God helps us
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Post by shortcircuit on Dec 12, 2007 20:46:44 GMT -4
I've already made my donation sometimeman!
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Post by sometimeman on Dec 12, 2007 21:57:32 GMT -4
Thank you Short!!!
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Post by sometimeman on Dec 13, 2007 9:03:46 GMT -4
Alaskans Favor Ron Paul On Super TuesdayBy Mary Sparrowdancer 12-12-7 John has sent you an item from www.ktuu.com This is from Alaska, leader of our Nation in common sense. Doc Alaskans may nominate fringe candidate www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?s=7479052Alaskans may nominate fringe candidate By KTUU Channel 2 News Staff 12-13-7 ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- In a poll conducted Monday, Dec. 10, Channel 2 News asked which GOP presidential candidate Alaskan Republicans plan to support in the Super Tuesday caucus. A slim majority of respondents support Ron Paul, a Texas congressman known for wanting to abolish the IRS and opposing the Iraq War. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who's surging in national polls as well as Iowa caucus polls, came in a close second. Which Republican presidential candidate will you support in Alaska's caucus? Rudy Giuliani -- 14% Mike Huckabee -- 22% John McCain -- 9% Ron Paul -- 29% Mitt Romney -- 9% Fred Thompson -- 12% Other -- 6% All polls conducted by Channel 2 News and KTUU.com are unscientific.
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Post by shortcircuit on Dec 13, 2007 21:17:14 GMT -4
An Open Letter to the Protestant Community in Behalf of Ron Paul by Laurence M. Vance Member of Congress and Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul is the premier advocate for political and religious liberty in politics today. He is the most pro-life, pro-family, pro-property, pro-Constitution politician in history. If it is possible to be more Jeffersonian than Jefferson, then Ron Paul is the man.
On issues that are dear to the vast majority of Protestant Christians, Ron Paul stands head and shoulders above the other candidates. Consider just a few.
The Issues
Abortion: Ron Paul is a physician who has delivered more than 4,000 babies. He not only opposes federal funding of embryonic stem cell research and partial-birth abortion, he is against abortion itself. As he himself has said:
In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman. In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, H.R. 1094. I am also the prime sponsor of H.R. 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn. I have also authored H.R. 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called "population control." Many talk about being pro-life. I have taken and will continue to advocate direct action to restore protection for the unborn.
Religion: Ron Paul has issued a statement of his personal faith that should satisfy Protestant Christians of any persuasion:
I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.
The reason we do not find very many references to religion in his writings and speeches is because, unlike President Bush, Dr. Paul does not cloak his political proposals with religious rhetoric in hopes of beguiling Christians.
Family values: Ron Paul lives his family values. Unlike Christian "leaders" like prophecy guru Hal Lindsey, who is on his fourth wife, and adulterous Republican politicians like the thrice-married Newt Gingrich and Rudy Giuliani, Dr. Paul has been married to the same woman for fifty years, and has five children and seventeen grandchildren. He also opposes same-sex marriage, and has voted to prohibit federal funding for the joint adoption of a child between individuals who are not related by blood or marriage.
Gun control: Ron Paul is the gun owners’ best friend. Not only has he consistently opposed the expansion of federal gun control laws, he has introduced in Congress the Second Amendment Protection Act to repeal unconstitutional federal laws that allow bureaucrats to restrict the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun owners. Dr. Paul opposes waiting periods, instant background checks, and government databases of gun owners.
Illegal immigration: Ron Paul is opposed to "open borders." He believes that the U.S. government should fight terrorism by first securing its own borders. Because he believes that true citizenship requires cultural connections and an allegiance to the United States, he favors an end to birthright citizenship. And because he believes that it insults legal immigrants, he does not favor amnesty for illegal immigrants in any form. But Dr. Paul is not anti-immigrant in any sense of the word. He believes that the immigration problem fundamentally is a welfare state problem. He joins the vast majority of Americans who welcome immigrants who want to come here, work hard, and build a better life. He opposes welfare state subsidies for illegal immigrants that alienate taxpayers and breed suspicion of immigrants. Dr. Paul also believes that all federal government business should be conducted in English.
American Sovereignty: Ron Paul is against any form of a world government or a new world order. Because he believes that the United Nations is a corrupt organization that was designed to undermine sovereignty and representative government, he has introduced legislation to withdraw the United States from the UN. Dr. Paul likewise opposes the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SSP), the NAFTA Super Highway, and any form of a North American Union. He believes that these plans are the result of an unholy alliance of foreign consortiums and government officials. Rather than resulting from the demands of the free market, they are an extension of government-managed trade schemes that benefit politically-connected interests. Dr. Paul also opposes foreign aid since it is generally nothing more than U.S. taxpayer dollars given away to corrupt foreign governments.
The Questions
So what gives? Why aren’t Protestant Christians lining up in droves behind Ron Paul?
It turns out that because Ron Paul opposes constitutional amendments banning abortion, same-sex marriage, and flag burning, some Protestants have been led to believe that he is not a real Republican. Some Christians think it inconsistent that Dr. Paul can oppose abortion but also oppose a constitutional amendment banning abortion, oppose same-sex marriage but also oppose a constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union between a man and a woman, and oppose flag burning but also oppose a constitutional amendment outlawing flag burning.
Because Ron Paul ran for president in 1988 as a libertarian and opposes the war on drugs, foreign aid to Israel, and the war in Iraq, other Protestants have come to the conclusion that he is not a genuine conservative. They assert:
Ron Paul is a libertarian so he must be a libertine, or at least an advocate of alternative lifestyles. Ron Paul opposes the war on drugs so he must support drug use. Ron Paul opposes giving foreign aid to Israel so he must be either pro-Palestinian or anti-Semitic. Ron Paul opposes the Iraq war so he must not support the troops. These are false assertions.
The Answers
But if anyone is a real Republican and a genuine conservative it is Ron Paul. He has been elected to Congress ten times as a Republican. He is the former honorary chair of the Republican Liberty Caucus. He consistently scores a perfect 100 on the conservative New American magazine’s "Freedom Index."
Unlike many in Congress who call themselves Republicans or conservatives, Ron Paul actually believes in strictly following the Constitution. Representative Paul never votes for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution – even if it means courageously casting the lone "no" vote. He has consistently voted to lower or abolish federal taxes, spending, and regulation. He has actively promoted the return of government to its proper constitutional levels. He is recognized as the leading spokesman in Washington for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies based on commodity-backed currency. He has also received many awards and honors during his career in Congress from organizations such as the National Taxpayers Union, Citizens Against Government Waste, Council for a Competitive Economy, and Young Americans for Freedom.
It is because Ron Paul adheres to the Constitution that he opposes the Patriot Act, domestic surveillance programs, warrantless searches, restrictions on freedom of speech, national ID cards, federal information databases, and what he calls the Homeland Security monstrosity. His congressional website lists "The Ron Paul Freedom Principles":
Rights belong to individuals, not groups. Property should be owned by people, not government. All voluntary associations should be permissible – economic and social. The government’s monetary role is to maintain the integrity of the monetary unit, not participate in fraud. Government exists to protect liberty, not to redistribute wealth or to grant special privileges. The lives and actions of people are their own responsibility, not the government’s. Ron Paul believes that Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided because abortion is simply not a constitutional issue. He doesn’t think there is any serious argument based on the text of the Constitution that there exists a federal "right to abortion." He maintains that the federalization of abortion law is not based on constitutional principles, but on a social and political construct created out of thin air by the Supreme Court. Since the federal government has no authority to involve itself in the abortion issue, a federal law banning abortion in the states would be just as wrong as Roe v. Wade.
Ron Paul believes that marriage is first and foremost a religious matter, not a government matter. He does not think social problems can be solved by constitutional amendments or government edicts. Taken to its logical conclusion, the turning of regulation of domestic family relations over to the federal government means that presumably anything can be federalized. Because the federal government has only been granted limited, enumerated powers by the Constitution, Dr. Paul maintains that it has no role whatsoever regarding marriage law. Although the states should enforce marriage contracts and settle divorces, they too should otherwise stay out of the marriage business. It should also be pointed out that Representative Paul was a cosponsor of the Marriage Protection Act, which would have removed challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act from federal courts’ jurisdiction. The Defense of Marriage Act (PL 104-99) was passed to ensure that no state would be forced to recognize a same-sex marriage, even if the said marriage occurred in another state. Although Dr. Paul was not in Congress at the time the Defense of Marriage Act was passed, he has stated that he would have voted for it.
Like all patriotic Americans, Ron Paul despises flag burning. He believes that the offensive conduct of a few does not justify making an exception to the First Amendment protections of political speech that the majority considers to be offensive. Because he believes that freedom of speech and freedom of expression depend on property, Dr. Paul considers making flag burning a federal crime to be an attack on private property. However, he does support overriding the Supreme Court case that overturned State laws prohibiting flag burning.
Ron Paul is against constitutional amendments banning abortion, same-sex marriage, and flag burning precisely because he is following the Constitution he swore allegiance to. Another reason he opposes these amendments is because he is an advocate of that forgotten constitutional principle of federalism. He considers the division of power between the federal government and the states to be one of the virtues of the American political system. To alter this balance would endanger self-government and individual liberty. Dr. Paul is in favor of letting state legislatures decide social policy because federalism was established to allow decentralized, local decision-making. Following the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, he favors all authority over matters not specifically addressed in the Constitution remaining with state legislatures.
Although some Protestant Christians think that because Ron Paul holds to many libertarian ideals that he is also a libertine, nothing could be further from the truth. The essence of libertarianism is that it is wrong to threaten or initiate violence against a person or his property. Force is justified only in self-defense. Libertarianism, as explained by Murray Rothbard, the twentieth century’s greatest proponent of it, is a political philosophy that
holds that the only proper role of violence is to defend person and property against violence, that any use of violence that goes beyond such just defense is itself aggressive, unjust, and criminal. Libertarianism, therefore, is a theory which states that everyone should be free of violent invasion, should be free to do as he sees fit except invade the person or property of another.
Libertinism is a way of life that might be considered hedonistic or sympathetic to "alternative lifestyles." A libertine might be a libertarian, a liberal, a conservative, a socialist, a progressive, or an anarchist. He might be a member of the Libertarian Party, the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, some lesser-known third party, or no political party. One does not have to be a Christian to oppose libertinism, as Walter Block has superbly shown. Conservative Republicans are not immune from libertine behavior, as we can see from the recent scandals in Congress.
Other Christians falsely believe that since Ron Paul opposes the war on drugs that he supports drug use. As a physician, Dr. Paul knows firsthand the harmful effects of mind-altering narcotics. He believes that drug addiction is a social problem, not a crime. He has pointed out that for the first 140 years of our country’s history we had no federal drug war yet far fewer problems with drug addiction and crime. Dr. Paul opposes the drug war because it encourages violence, has led to the unnecessary prison overpopulation, has wasted hundreds of billions of dollars of the taxpayers’ money, has been used as an excuse to attack our civil liberties and personal privacy, has been an excuse to undermine our financial privacy, has promoted illegal searches and seizures resulting in innocent people losing their lives and property, criminalizes the actions of legitimate physicians who act in good faith when prescribing pain relief drugs, threatens the effective treatment of chronic pain, and corrupts our police, the military, border guards and the judicial system.
Some Protestants who consider themselves evangelicals have wrongly concluded that since Ron Paul opposes giving foreign aid to Israel he is pro-Palestinian or anti-Semitic. Congressman Paul is opposed to giving foreign aid to Israel for the simple reason that he opposes giving foreign aid to any country. Foreign aid is, after all, money that has been taken from American taxpayers – money that most of them would not voluntarily send overseas if they had a choice. Any individual American who desires to assist someone in another country is perfectly free to do so. Dr. Paul’s perspective is that of the Founding Fathers: America should not intervene in the internal affairs of other nations. He believes that our meddling in the Middle East has only intensified strife, conflict, and violence. Both sides have more military weapons as a result of our foolish and unconstitutional foreign aid. Some of our foreign aid even winds up in the hands of terrorists. For more on Ron Paul and the question of foreign aid to Israel, see Walter Block’s "An Open Letter to the Jewish Community in Behalf of Ron Paul."
Ron Paul opposes the Iraq war precisely because he supports the troops. He is a patriot in every sense of the word. He opposes federal court jurisdiction over the question of whether the phrase "under God" should be included in the pledge of allegiance. And unlike many in the Bush administration who avoided military service, he served as a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air Force during the Vietnam conflict. Because Dr. Paul loves this country and all of its people, he is opposed to endangering the life of U.S. soldiers in unnecessary foreign wars that only enrich federal contractors. He is therefore pro-life in an absolute sense. He believes that the best way we can support the troops is to bring them home, not just from Iraq, but from all of the countries in which the United States has troops stationed. Then Americans can proudly serve in the military knowing that they are engaged in real national defense.
It is conservative Republicans who support pre-emptive war, bloated defense and intelligence budgets, secret military tribunals, torture of "enemy combatants," extraordinary renditions, an increasingly militarized society, the violation of basic civil liberties, undue government secrecy, and domestic spying programs who are neither real nor genuine.
The Answer
Protestant Christians who love liberty, respect the Constitution, and believe in the freedom to live their live and practice their religion without the heavy hand of government hanging over their heads should be drawn to Ron Paul like a magnet.
As a Baptist myself, I realize that some Baptists don’t consider themselves Protestants. In this article I am using the term Protestant in its broadest sense. Therefore, this open letter is addressed to them as well. But religion or no religion, if your creed is liberty, then Ron Paul is the man.
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Post by sometimeman on Dec 13, 2007 23:13:54 GMT -4
Thank you Short for your post on Ron Paul. I feel like any one who knows or that is understands him will vote for him.
I will IF I have to write him in!
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