Ron Paul for President

[sometimeman]

Ron Paul, Iowa and the Presidency

Posted August 11, 2007 | 02:30 PM (EST)

A lot of people are frightened of Dr. Ron Paul's possible presidency. They're scared to talk about it, to consider it, or recognize its possibility. Like so many frightened people, they are putting their heads in the sand, and hoping it will all just go away.

Give us a snarky political professional like Guiliani or Clinton, or a nicely coiffed white family man like Romney or Edwards. Give us a nice neoconservative grandpa like Fred Thompson, or a grouchy neoconservative grandpa like McCain. Give us an Obama -- for a change of pace in everything but currently established domestic and foreign policies.

But by golly, don't dare threaten the establishment with Jeffersonian democratic vision and Washingtonian non-interventionism. Don't boldly challenge the NYC/DC axis of politics with sheer constitutionalism. Better yet, don't remind us that the American president is not the commander-in-chief of everybody but a narrowly defined and legally constrained institution that is only equal -- and certainly subject -- to our judicial and legislative bodies.

Ron Paul, Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich are the only candidates who seem to understand this. They are also the only candidates who will quickly, if not immediately, end the U.S. occupation of Iraq. Wait a sec -- I mean end it peacefully. Ultimately, Iraqis and their supporters around the world will bring down the American occupation -- but they will do so limb by limb, heart by heart, and soul by soul. They will kill thousands of us and themselves before it reaches that inevitable point of non-occupation and honest political independence. Only Paul and two underfunded Democratic contenders offer wisdom to Americans across the nation who are hungry for wisdom, at least in foreign policy.

However -- it is in domestic policy where Ron Paul completes the package. Unlike the democratic longshots, and the candidacy of GuiliClintoRomnObamThomEdwaCain, Ron Paul is about real freedom. Freedom to choose, freedom to live, freedom to decide for ourselves. He offers freedom from excessive government mandates, excessive rules and regulations, excessive confiscation of our life and property. In this, Paul is the only real conservative in the group, and yes, perhaps the only radical.

Social planners of all sorts -- some more Marxist in orientation, others more nationalist -- present themselves as the American presidential front runners. The media focuses cameras on their faces, murmurs over their every word, and wonders if America and the world will really like them as Most Supreme Leader of the World.

Ron Paul, humbly and simply, honors the Constitution -- and perhaps this makes him boring to mainstream media. When asked recently how he would use the great power of the executive office, circa 2009, Paul indicated he'd use his power to restrain the natural temptation to abuse that mostly unconstitutional concentration of power. He'd then work to restore a constitutionally established presidency -- in part by revoking the many executive orders to which we have all become inured.

Ron Paul may not excite the mainstream press, establishment policy cheerleaders, big investors in government programs, or the military-industrial complex. But Ron Paul really excites a whole heck of a lot of regular people -- and puts the scare in the rest of them.

Ron's latest odds in the Iowa Straw poll are 8 to 1 -- and the big Republican candidates who represent all-spending, all-war, all-the-time are worried. So worried, many of them aren't even coming to Iowa.

Those who wish to discredit Ron Paul as a viable candidate don't point out his popularity among traditional Republicans, Democrats and Independents. They don't point out that his "Don't Tread on Me" libertarian streak is shared by half the adults in this country, and three quarters of the teenagers. They ignore his grass roots support, the money and the passion that flows steadily into his campaign.

The Republican Party, its Democratic emulators, and mainstream media are living dinosaurs. All refuse to pull their heads out of the sand and face the issues that really touch Americans, and to deliver what Americans really want for themselves, their families and their government. And unlike in previous elections, nobody in American really, truly, cares what mainstream media thinks. It's not that Katie Couric and her ilk aren't nice people. It's just that times have changed.

These dinosaurs -- and the theropods that report the news -- are increasingly irrelevant. I believe that the other contenders for the Presidency will soon begin to adopt Paul's message and attempt to promote his agenda of freedom and peace, or they will become politically extinct. As a peace and freedom-loving American, I can't wait.
www.huffingtonpost.com/karen-kwiatkowski/ron-paul-iowa-and-the-pr_b_60048.html

[sometimeman]

Son-o-bitches [thats the same as donkphants] wouldn't let Ron Paul win!

Final Piece Of Iowa GOP
Treachery In Straw Poll 2007
Network America e-wire
8-9-7


Sit down. Katie bar the door. Hold on to your hat.

Intrepid activist and radio talk show host Ernest Hancock of Arizona has flushed out the FINAL PIECE OF TREACHERY planned by the Iowa GOP - IF they continue on their present anti-American course with regard to "counting" the ballots in the 2007 Iowa Straw Poll.

We have already explained that they are counting the votes on the discredited Diebold computers - that one page article can be found here:

www.votefraud.org/ames_appeal_08022007.htm

We have already explained in the above article that they plan to have voters feed their ballots into the Diebold compartments - most of which ballots will never be seen again!

Then - at the end of voting at 6 PM on this Saturday, August 7, at the Ames, Iowa Straw Poll, -- the GOP designated officials make each of the sixty Diebold machines produce a paper receipt - which has the name of each candidate - and the alleged totals from that machine. (All ballots stay TIGHTLY locked in the black box inside the Diebold computers.)

And then an Iowa GOP spokesman would announce the "results" on stage at the Hilton Coliseum at the Iowa State University - with all the ballots still locked away from news media, candidates, the public. And then the national newsmedia, as they like to call themselves -- is supposed to announce these computer-generated "results" to the nation. (In the America I once knew - we used to count the ballots BEFORE we announced the results!)

In their first round of literature about the "count", the GOP of Iowa said they would have an "audit" of some kind AFTER they announced the result. So, we and others wondered, -- does that mean they will count 1% of the ballots by hand? 2%? , , , all the ballots?

Iowa GOP spokesmen wouldn't say - and their story kept morphing about what would happen. AND NOW . . .

RON PAUL SUPPORTERS COMING OUT OF THE WOODWORK - AND IOWA GOP HAS TO DELIVER A ROMNEY VICTORY TO PLEASE THEIR MASTERS IN NYC AND WASHINGTON D.C. - OH, MY! WHAT TO DO??

Here's the incredible information flushed out by Ernest Hancock. Let's let him tell it - with the link to the entire article at the Freedom's Phoenix website listed below:

From Ernest Hancock on Freedom's Phoenix:

"I did my best to determine the method of validating the election results and could get no "official" response until today. Mary Tiffany is the Iowa State GOP Communications Director. After finally getting her on the phone and introducing myself as a visiting radio talk show host from Phoenix she was kind enough to take my questions seriously and promised to get back to me today. I had planned to arrive at their downtown office in Des Moines should she not call me by 4:30 pm Iowa time. I was on my way to the Iowa State GOP HQ when I received Mary's call at 4:35 pm. She was clear and straight to the point.

"Each campaign was welcome to have representatives witness the feeding of the paper ballots into the counting computers but that there would not be a manual count of any kind. I then asked what would happen to the original paper ballots. She asked me to hold for a moment while she checked. In our earlier phone conversation she said that I needed to talk to "Eric" the Iowa State GOP's Political Director so I can only imagine she was likely getting directions from him. She came back on the line to say that the paper ballots would remain with the machines and would not elaborate further. I asked if the paper would be destroyed and she would not/could not answer.

"So there you have it. The same machines that California just decertified 3 days ago and Florida is in the spot light about as well, are going to be used to determine the future . . . ."

(End of quote from Ernest Hancock and his conversation with the Iowa GOP.)

The whole article is found here:

www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=022071


"THERE WOULD NOT BE A MANUAL COUNT OF ANY KIND" !!!

Soooooooooooooooo! The candidates are allowed to watch the ballots be fed by the voter into the black box Diebold computers. --- But THERE WILL BE NO HAND COUNT OF EVEN ONE BALLOT. The ballots will never be seen again. They might even be destroyed shortly after the event so that no one can ever again check the announced computer result !!

Dear Friends, -- this is the way ALL elections are conducted nationwide at election time - except of the state of New Hampshire.

If this policy is followed on Saturday in the Iowa Straw Poll - this is proof positive of the Iowa GOP leadership's utter bad will and intent to defraud Ron Paul if necessary.

Having witnessed Ron Paul crushing landslide of all the other GOP candidates on the ABC website after Sunday's nationally televised debate - the powers that be are plenty worried. Ron Paul got rougly 30,000 of the 50,000 votes - 55% -- and the closest was Romney - who got only 3,600, or 6% of the online poll vote!!

Is the patriotic, constitutional avalanche going to engulf them, the New World Order toadies, and their Masters in NYC and DC? Well, not if they can hide the ballots from us as if we were children - and tell us what their pre-programmed computers say the "result is !!!!

Can you imagine? They think we're so stupid that we don't realize that the computers can be programmed in advance to ignore what's on the ballots, and to tabulate the number of ballots fed into the "black box" in the Diebold machine - and then divide the candidates' votes by pre-programmed percentages. SORRY, IOWA GOP, THE PEOPLE ARE ON TO THIS SCAM NOW!

Count the ballots in the open! WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO HIDE? Why do you people holding offices of influence always since 1988 INSIST that the ballots disappear forever - without being counted

One astute observer made this observation. Originally, the GOP was telling callers and people, including this astute observer I'm referring to, -- that there would be 25,000 voters this Saturday.

Then Romney, perhaps fearing the Paul avalanche, stated that he would not be trying as hard, and would pay for less buses, etc. (Even so, NBC's Gloria Borger said on the weekend Christ Matthews Show that Romney is spending so much money that it will be a real blow to his campaign if he doesn't come in first. ANOTHER REASON THE IOWA GOP WANTS TO KEEP THEIR CHEATING OPTIONS OPEN !!!)

After Romney's quizzical announcement - the Iowa GOP then had a press conference and said they NOW expect 50,000 voters !!! Really? With Romney making LESS of an effort? Tell us about this.

Our astute observer suggested to me: now that they know the Vote in Sunshine Poll is going on to check the Diebold machines - they may be planning not to suppress Paul's vote - but to boost Romney's. Are there going to be ballots planted in the black box in each Diebold computer before the voting starts? Will the Iowa GOP let us inspect the inside of each Diebold machine before the voting starts? Is there a hidden compartment? Or are the computers just programmed to make a fraudulent result --- and that's why the GOP is announcing that there will NOT BE ANY hand count!

Let' pause here to remember the quote attributed to Communist Tyrant Joseph Stalin: "Those who CAST the votes decide nothing. Those who COUNT the votes decide everything."

Is that why you are taking and keeping all the ballots away from the people, the candidates, the press, leaders of the Iowa GOP??? Inquiring minds want to know!

This is why people from all over the United States are coming to Iowa. We need 200 volunteers to wear yellow "Vote in Sunshine" t-shirts and take the "citizens' exit poll" verification ballots from those who have already voted in the official Diebold election - AND WHO ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THEIR VOTE COUNTS.

We need YOU! Our organizational meeting for already committed volunteers - and those who are going to be joining the effort that night - will be at 5 PM on Friday afternoon, August 10th, 2007 - at the Holiday Inn, Conference Center, Charolais Room, 2609 Elwood Drive, Ames, IA 50010. (This Holiday Inn is about one mile south of the Straw Poll location on Iowa State University.)

Join the Meetup group at <http://electionreform.meetup.com/165>http://electionreform.meetup.com/165

ALSO, we still need about $1500 to $2000 to meet all the MINIMAL basic expenses to make the alternative "citizens exit poll" happen. $2991 has been collected as of this writing - and we have found some expenses that push the need up to $5000 for just the basics - that means about $2000 is still needed. You can help by going to paypal.com - hitting send money - and sending money to <mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] - which is the paypal address to the "Operation Ames Honest Election 2007" effort.

So now, if you've grasped all of the above, you see the crass, criminal, vile attitudes and instincts of the national GOP leaders (Dems, too, even worse, if that be possible) - and the leaders of the Iowa GOP are going along? For what? Is career more important than country and family and Faith?

The people of Iowa are great - the Iowa GOP leaders are disgracing them.

Last night, I sent to the Iowa GOP chairman, Mr. Ray Hoffman, a letter from Citizens for a Fair Vote Count - a letter with potential legal implications, holding up before the Iowa State GOP leadership two choices, two paths:

1. Scrap the discredited Diebold Computers, use the same paper ballots they were going to use, put the ballots in easily obtainable clear plastic boxes in public view all day, and have designated HUMAN BEINGS count them at a cafeteria table at each of the voting stations at the end of the voting period - with representatives from all campaigns, and citizens, watching and hearing as the votes are scrutinized and called out. This path leads to the Iowa GOP leadership being heroes to the whole nation and the whole world - finally SOMEONE in a leadership position would have stood up to the Rothschild/Rockerfeller New World Order and its Computer Votefraud Syndicate, thus leading the way to take back our destiny as a nation.

2. The second path: use the discredited and disgraced Diebold computers to "count" the Straw Poll vote. This path leads to winning the scorn of every thinking person at the Iowa Straw Poll, in the state of Iowa - and in the nation - as word spreads like wildfire across the nation. This path will continue to build a righteous anger in normal Americans. And it might lead to a "nasty" lawsuit with Mr. Ray Hoffman and all the other Iowa GOP leaders - and the owners of Diebold in video-taped deposition.

If this becomes necessary, Mr. Hoffman, the Iowa State GOP central committee members, and the Diebold officials such as Mr. Urosevich - will be filmed in deposition, will go up on the internet and onto DVD for public viewing. -- In other words, via the deposition - they will be coming to your living room TV or your home computer - and, at that point, boy will they want to be anywhere else!

WHAT happens at the Ames, Iowa Straw Poll - is a microcosm of what happens ot 49 states at every primary and general election - since 1988! Do you see how earth-shattering this is? This can be a turning point back to honest, verifiable voting in the USA!

If we are going to elect a GOOD and INDEPENDENT man as President - and good and honest people as Congressmen - then we have to draw the line somewhere!

Let us draw it at Ames this Saturday - a the Iowa Straw Poll 2007.

Everyone into the battle.

Jim Condit Jr.,
Director, Network America Ewire List
Director, Citizens for a Fair Vote Count
Mailing Address: PO Box 11339, Cincinnati, Ohio 45211

[manape]

Sometimer, and anyone else, here where Ron Paul stands on issues.

www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/

[shortcircuit]

The man has some good ideas. And for that reason alone he doesn't have a chance.

[manape]

Short, now that is negative. Didn't you read sometimer's statistic?

The 8 to 1 odds in the straw poll sounds like good odds to me. Sometimer wrote:

Ron's latest odds in the Iowa Straw poll are 8 to 1 -- and the big Republican candidates who represent all-spending, all-war, all-the-time are worried. So worried, many of them aren't even coming to Iowa.

[sometimeman]

LIEMAR AND HIS KIND

BradBlog
26,000 total Tickets sold - 14,302 votes tabulated
Sun Aug 12, 2007 01:30
72.201.70.108

According to DerekLarsson over at BradBlog,

There were 26,000 total Tickets sold for this event, yet there were only just 14,302 votes tabulated.

Now think about that for a minute.
26,000 people purchase tickets to go to a Straw Poll event, and yet we are to believe that 12,000 of those people couldn’t even care less about the voting part? Just what were they there for?

I don't buy it. This is not believable.
An Investigation is needed here.

I think what happened is that the Diebold E-Voting machines threw away votes --- as we also saw last year with the 2006 Florida-13 race and the NC-08 race (hurting the more liberal candidate in each race) --
And, these machines most likely threw away the votes that were intended for only the anti-Iraq, anti-War, anti-Central-Bank-monopoly, anti-Patriot-Act, anti-Empire candidate in the race, Ron Paul.

We all know that Ron Paul had a huge very visible and very vocal crowd of supporters there at the event, that were perhaps equal in number to, or at least in the same ballpark as Mitt Romney.

So, if, for example, the machine only registered 1 out of every 4 Ron Paul votes --- for Ron Paul himself --- and then threw the rest out, that would explain his much lighter than expected 1,300 vote total, and also explain some of the huge gap between ticket buyers (26,000) and the total people recognized as having voted (14,000) in the event.

Of course, it could even be worse than this (even more Ron Paul voters votes thrown away), thus robbing Paul of an outright victory in the Straw Poll.

I cannot prove that this specifically is what happened.
But the point is that, without a open, transparent, inspectible, verifiable (in real-time) voting environment, which is a requirement for any Democracy, we will never know here.

I know this, 26,000 get tickets to an voting event, and only 14,302 bother to vote-?? That dog don't hunt!
www.bradblog.com/?p=4946#comment-248645

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[sometimeman]

Malfunctioning Diebold Voting Machines Run By Romney Team Member At Iowa Poll
Ron Paul snatches fifth place in Straw Poll as voting machines again fail, questions raised over conflicts of interest in oversight personnel

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Monday, August 13, 2007
Ron Paul supporters were angered at this weekend's straw poll in Iowa by the fact that Diebold voting machines once again malfunctioned and caused significant delays in the count, coupled with the fact that a Mitt Romney team member was placed in charge of overseeing the voting procedure.

Earlier in the week a group of Paul supporters attempted to block the vote based on concerns over insecurities in the Diebold machines. The Paul supporters took their case to the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals, after being blocked by a lower court, but the appeals panel also refused to join an injunction against the vote, an attorney for the Iowa GOP, Matt McDermott, told the AP.

More concerning was the fact that earlier in the week a huge conflict of interest was exposed by a Ron Paul supporter as it was revealed that oversight of the voting procedure was conducted by a "Mitt Romney Leadership Team" Member.

The Story County Auditor's Office, which was in charge of running the votes is headed by Mary Mosiman who also happens to be on Mitt Romney's "Romney for President Leadership Team".



Though Ron Paul's campaign people chose to remain uninvolved in these matters, it turned out that the fears were justified as around 4500 ballots were re-run and the announcement of the poll results was delayed by around an hour as a recount was initiated.

The machines used were Diebold's optical scanners, which do provide paper ballots, unlike the Direct Recording Electronic (DRE) voting machines which provide no paper trail to go back to should the machines fail.

Though it was reported that about 30,000 to 33,000 Republicans came to meet candidates and cast their votes, only 14,302 were actually cast. Over a quarter of the votes had to be recounted after the malfunction.

Though it was also reported that "there were nothing but Ron Paul signs in the crowd" and that his campaign signs lined the highways and streets leading into Ames, Iowa, Paul came in fifth place behind Romney, Huckabee, Brownback and Tancredo. This is encouraging however because many of Paul's supporters came from out of state, meaning they were ineligible to vote.

Mitt Romney 4516 31.5%
Mike Huckabee 2587 18.1%
Sam Brownback 2192 15.3%
Tom Tancredo 1961 13.7%
Ron Paul 1305 9.1%
Tommy Thompson 1039 7.3%
Fred Thompson 203 1.4%
Rudy Giuliani 183 1.3%
Duncan Hunter 174 1.2%
John McCain 101 1.0%
John Cox 41 0.1%

14,302 Total Votes
26,000 Total Tickets Sold

Given that Romney reportedly spent millions on advertising the straw poll and personally paid for his supporters travel expenses, laying on hundreds of buses, as well as paying for their tickets, it was not surprising that he won by such a margin.

In addition, given that only about 14,000 votes were reportedly cast, Ron Paul’s showing of 1305 votes is almost 10 percent, quadruple the 2% of the vote he supposedly has in national polls and what sources said was the base level of support that the campaign hoped to achieve in the Iowa Straw Poll.

Ron Paul's campaign is encouraged by the result which has proven that he is able to turn online support into actual votes and has disproved ridiculous claims that his supporters are merely trolls and spammers who are adept at fixing online polls.

"We are pleased and encouraged by the results. ... Our campaign has begun," Paul's campaign chairman Kent Snyder said in a statement posted on the RonPaul2008.com. Snyder listed three ingredients for success: the message of "freedom, peace and prosperity"; "the man: Ron Paul"; and Paul's committed supporters.

[sometimeman]

If you think the regular news channels tell the truth ??

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMIm8qsJupY&mode=related&search=#

[pugs]

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Message for National FairTax supporters:
Dear FairTax supporters,

FairTax.org made history on Saturday, August 11. Our grassroots efforts in Iowa made the FairTax the deciding issue in Iowa's Straw Poll. We did it! Three out of the top five finishers were FairTax supporters -- now we need to strive to make every presidential candidate, Democratic and Republican, a supporter of the FairTax.

Source:
www.gagop9.org/

Now we need to strive to make every local candidate, Democratic and Republican, a supporter of the FairTax.

Hey manape can you bring that fairtax link over here so we can discuss it some I promise to be nice..I'm bored with the Lamar link, and the administrator had to scold me for being mean. Sorry again...I think it would fit in here don't you?

[pugs]

I really like his stand on most subjects, I haven't read all of the website ape posted I read yours but so far his ideals are so simple they could work...

[manape]

Pugs, I think this would be a good place to discuss FairTax. It is up to sometimeman, since he started this thread.

Here is what Ron Paul says about Debt and Taxes:
Source: www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/debt-and-taxes/

Debt and Taxes

Working Americans like lower taxes. So do I. Lower taxes benefit all of us, creating jobs and allowing us to make more decisions for ourselves about our lives.

Whether a tax cut reduces a single mother’s payroll taxes by $40 a month or allows a business owner to save thousands in capital gains taxes and hire more employees, that tax cut is a good thing. Lower taxes allow more spending, saving, and investing which helps the economy — that means all of us.

Ron Paul goes on to say...

In addition, the Federal Reserve, our central bank, fosters runaway debt by increasing the money supply — making each dollar in your pocket worth less. The Fed is a private bank run by unelected officials who are not required to be open or accountable to “we the people.”

Worse, our economy and our very independence as a nation is increasingly in the hands of foreign governments such as China and Saudi Arabia, because their central banks also finance our runaway spending.

We cannot continue to allow private banks, wasteful agencies, lobbyists, corporations on welfare, and governments collecting foreign aid to dictate the size of our ballooning budget. We need a new method to prioritize our spending. It’s called the Constitution of the United States.

[pugs]

I wish sometime would come over here and talk to us...I'll go get him I'm sure he has done allot more research ..I'll be right back.

[pugs]

I think..I haven't really studied his web page just read thru it some but Ron Paul has a good plan to keep our money in this country we wouldn't have to worry about jobs, we would make our own products...eliminate the IRS...woohoo...I'm all for that..I wouldn't mind paying more taxes on products I buy,,shoot I'm already taxed to death.

[pugs]

I have to go to bed..gotta get up early in the morning to go to work..I'll take my laptop and check this site now and then give me things to look up...sometime on Ron Paul...you too ape..good night!!

[sometimeman]

Sorry Miss pugs, I got here late. That Paul feller he knows we need to go by the Constitution.
He knows my president, George Bush, lies worse than Liemar Paris!