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Herman Cain serves up 'fair tax' concept
Rally draws crowd of almost 300
By HARRIS BLACKWOOD
The Times

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Herman Cain was part salesman and part evangelist as he spoke Wednesday in support of a national sales tax.

Cain, who finished second in the 2004 Georgia GOP race for the U.S. Senate, was the featured speaker at a "fair tax" rally held at Longstreet Cafe in Gainesville.

"Fair tax" is the term supporters use to describe a proposed national 23 percent tax on goods and services that would replace the current income tax system.

"We're now a movement," Cain said of growing national support of the concept.

The fair tax has become popular fodder for conservative talk show hosts and their message appears to resonate with many. A crowd of some 200 packed the popular cafeteria-style eatery.

Many sported shirts and buttons with the letters "IRS" with a red slash through them.

Cain's mention of turning April 15, the traditional tax filing deadline, into "just another day" drew loud applause from the crowd.

Cain said later he continues to be amazed at the idea's growth.

"I think it's because people are sick and tired of being sick and tired of the same old mess," said Cain, a successful business executive whose conservative ideology has drawn widespread acclaim.

"The average person has gotten sick of the insanity of this tax code and our elected officials doing nothing about it," Cain said.

The fair tax was first introduced in Congress by Rep. John Linder of Georgia.

Linder, a conservative Republican, and Atlanta-based syndicated talk show host Neal Boortz wrote "The Fair Tax Book," which explains the concept in detail. The book has been a best seller in both hardback and paperback.

Georgia's seven Republican Congressmen, including Gainesville's Nathan Deal, have signed on as supporters of the fair tax, as have both U.S. Senators Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson.

Cain said despite the widespread support in Georgia, the tax is a long way from passage.

"It's still an uphill battle, because you're going to have people fighting it from the other side," he said. "There are some people who do not want this country to be the best that it can be."

Cain said he was astonished at the size of the Gainesville crowd.

"They expected 25 people and we ended up with almost 300," he said. "That's what I mean by a movement. You get crowds of people who have already been converted who want to be reinspired."

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manape said:

Locally, the problem I have with "fair and minimum taxes" is no one can describe what is fair and minimum. The national FairTax can be modeled.

The thing I like about the FairTax is that it limits government spending because it is economy driven. If the economy is doing well, people buy new cars and other big items. If the economy slows down people stop spending as much, therefore the pot is limited. The problem with income tax is that government looks at it as an unlimited supply of money.

Another issue is government debt. There should also be constraints on debt.

I totally agree with ape on this one...the government needs to be put on a budget..the fairtax is the only way to achieve this..Every family in America has to live on the money they earn, this money has to be stretched to pay the bills..feed and cloth the family..what is left they can buy things they want..our government should have to tighten their belt just as the average citizen does when the economy is stagnant.

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American Independence and Sovereignty
So called free trade deals and world governmental organizations like the International Criminal Court (ICC), NAFTA, GATT, WTO, and CAFTA are a threat to our independence as a nation. They transfer power from our government to unelected foreign elites.

The ICC wants to try our soldiers as war criminals. Both the WTO and CAFTA could force Americans to get a doctor’s prescription to take herbs and vitamins. Alternative treatments could be banned.

The WTO has forced Congress to change our laws, yet we still face trade wars. Today, France is threatening to have U.S. goods taxed throughout Europe. If anything, the WTO makes trade relations worse by giving foreign competitors a new way to attack U.S. jobs.

NAFTA’s superhighway is just one part of a plan to erase the borders between the U.S. and Mexico, called the North American Union. This spawn of powerful special interests, would create a single nation out of Canada, the U.S. and Mexico, with a new unelected bureaucracy and money system. Forget about controlling immigration under this scheme.

And a free America, with limited, constitutional government, would be gone forever.

Let’s not forget the UN. It wants to impose a direct tax on us. I successfully fought this move in Congress last year, but if we are going to stop ongoing attempts of this world government body to tax us, we will need leadership from the White House.

We must withdraw from any organizations and trade deals that infringe upon the freedom and independence of the United States of America.

There you go sometime now you know why Bush is pushing the so called super highway.

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Ron Paul on Health Freedom
Americans are justifiably concerned over the government’s escalating intervention into their freedom to choose what they eat and how they take care of their health.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA), in order to comply with standards dictated by supra-national organizations such as the UN‘s World Food Code (CODEX), NAFTA, and CAFTA, has been assuming greater control over nutrients, vitamins and natural health care providers to restrict your right to choose the manner in which you manage your health and nutritional needs.

I have been the national leader in preserving Health Freedom.

I have introduced the Health Freedom Protection Act, HR 2117, to ensure Americans can receive truthful health information about supplements and natural remedies.

I support the Access to Medical Treatment Act, H.R. 746, which expands the ability of Americans to use alternative medicine and new treatments.

I oppose legislation that increases the FDA‘s legal powers. FDA has consistently failed to protect the public from dangerous drugs, genetically modified foods, dangerous pesticides and other chemicals in the food supply. Meanwhile they waste public funds attacking safe, healthy foods and dietary supplements

I also opposed the Homeland Security Bill, H.R. 5005, which, in section 304, authorizes the forced vaccination of American citizens against small pox. The government should never have the power to require immunizations or vaccinations.

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Hey ! Oh!-1

Glad you like my man Paul.
He'd make sausage out of Lie mar

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I have received more emails than I can count from people around the world who write to say that they wish they could be American citizens in order to have the privilege of voting for Ron Paul.” -Thomas E. Woods, Jr. from Having Fun Doing Good

thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/08/20/ron-paul-earns-the-worlds-attention/

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questions anyone see link below...

www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_faq

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Throughout this article, the unqualified term "dollar" and the $ symbol refer to the United States dollar.

The FairTax Book, co-authored by Neal Boortz and John Linder, was published on August 2, 2005, as a tool to increase public support for the FairTax Plan.The FairTax (H.R.25/S.1025) is a bill in the United States Congress for changing tax laws to replace the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and all federal income taxes (including Alternative Minimum Tax), payroll taxes (including Social Security and Medicare taxes), corporate taxes, capital gains taxes, gift taxes, and estate taxes with a national retail sales tax, to be levied once at the point of purchase on all new goods and services. The proposal also calls for a monthly tax rebate to households of citizens and legal resident aliens, to "untax" purchases up to the poverty level.[1] The sales tax rate, as defined in the legislation, is 23% of the total register price (23¢ of every $1—calculated the same way as income taxes), which is comparable to a 30% traditional state sales tax (30¢ on top of every $1).[2] Because the U.S. tax system has a hidden effect on prices,[3] it is expected that moving to the FairTax would decrease production costs from the removal of business taxes and compliance costs, which is predicted to offset a portion of the FairTax effect on prices.[4]

With the rebate taken into consideration, the effective tax rate would be progressive on consumption and could result in a tax burden of zero or less.[1] However, opponents assert that while progressive on consumption, the tax could be regressive on income.[5] Opponents claim it would decrease the tax burden on high income earners and increase the tax burden on the middle class,[2][6] while the plan's supporters argue that it would increase purchasing power,[7] and decrease tax burdens by broadening the tax base and effectively taxing wealth.[8][1] Many mainstream economists and tax experts believe consumption taxes, such as the FairTax, would have a positive impact on savings and investment (not taxed), ease of tax compliance, increased economic growth, incentives for international business to locate in the U.S., and increased U.S. international competitiveness (border tax adjustment in global trade).[2][4][9] However, critics argue that it could be difficult to collect, having challenges with tax evasion,[5][2] and that it may not yield enough money for the government, resulting in cutbacks in spending, a larger deficit, or a higher sales tax rate.[2]

The FairTax has generated a large grassroots tax reform movement in recent years, led by the non-partisan group Americans For Fair Taxation.[10] Increased support was created after talk radio personality Neal Boortz and Georgia Congressman John Linder published The FairTax Book in 2005 and additional visibility is being gained in the 2008 presidential campaign. While the proposed bill has yet to have a major effect on the tax system, the Fair Tax Act has the highest number of cosponsors among tax reform proposals (attracting 67 in the 110th United States Congress), gathering much stronger support than popular flat tax legislation. A number of congressional committees have heard testimony on the FairTax; however, it has not been voted on in either Chamber. The plan is expected to increase cost transparency for funding the federal government and supporters believe it would have advantages with taxing illegal activity and illegal immigrants.[4] Because the FairTax plan would remove taxes on income, tax deductions would have no meaning or value and some law makers have concerns about losing this method of social incentive. The legislation calls for an aggressive repeal of the Sixteenth Amendment, in order to prevent Congress from introducing new income tax legislation in the future

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[edit] Legislative history
The FairTax plan was created by Americans For Fair Taxation, an advocacy group formed for tax reform. The group developed the plan and the name "Fair Tax" with economists based on interviews, polls, and focus groups of the general public.[12][2] Georgia Republican John Linder first introduced the FairTax bill (H.R.2525) in July 1999 to the 106th United States Congress. He has reintroduced substantially the same bill in each subsequent session of Congress. While the bill attracted a total of 56 House and Senate cosponsors in the 108th Congress (H.R.25/S.1493),[13][14] 61 in the 109th Congress (H.R.25/S.25),[15][16] and 67 in the 110th United States Congress (H.R.25/S.1025),[17][18] it has not been voted on by either committee in the House or Senate. In order to become law, the bill will need to be included in a final version of tax legislation from the U.S. House Committee on Ways and Means, then obtain support from the Joint Committee on Taxation, pass both the House and the Senate, and finally be signed by the President.

The FairTax legislation has been introduced by Linder in the House and by Georgia Republican Senator Saxby Chambliss in the Senate. Its formal name is the Fair Tax Act of 2007. The legislation has been discussed with President George W. Bush and Secretary of the Treasury Henry M. Paulson.[19] A number of congressional committees have also heard testimony on the FairTax. The bill is cosponsored by former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert but has not received support from the Democratic leadership, which now controls Congress.[17][16][20] Democratic Representative Collin Peterson of Minnesota and Democratic Senator Zell Miller of Georgia cosponsored and introduced the bill in the 108th Congress, but Peterson is no longer cosponsoring the bill and Miller has left the Senate.[13][14] In the 109th and 110th Congress, Representative Dan Boren has been the only Democrat to cosponsor the bill.[15][17] Other attempts to replace the U.S. tax system have attracted fewer cosponsors. The Freedom Flat Tax (H.R.1040), sponsored by Texas Republican Michael C. Burgess, has 5 cosponsors, with no other proposal in Congress having as many.[21]

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Predicted effects
Main article: Predicted effects of the FairTax
Many mainstream economists and tax experts believe consumption taxes, such as the FairTax, would have a positive impact on economic growth, incentives for international business to locate in the U.S., and increased U.S. international competitiveness (border tax adjustment in global trade).[2][4][9] The FairTax is expected to increase cost transparency for funding the federal government and supporters believe it would have advantages with taxing illegal activity and illegal immigrants.[4] The FairTax would be tax-free on mortgage interest (up to the basic interest rate as determined by the Federal Reserve) and donations; however, some law makers have concerns about losing social incentives on home ownership and charitable contributions. There is also concern about the impact to the income tax industry and the difficulty with the aggressive repeal of the Sixteenth Amendment, which would prevent Congress from introducing new income tax legislation in the future.[11]


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SIXTEENTH AMENDMENT FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW..
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

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sometimeman said:

Hey ! Oh!-1

Glad you like my man Paul.
He'd make sausage out of Lie mar

You know why the government is so afraid of the fair tax..they won't be able to put their hand in our pockets anymore..they couldn't raise taxes...that's why it's the fair tax movement...government would have to be responsible..have a budget...ouch....They would have to buy nuts and bolts at the hardware store like regular people for 50 cents.

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Ron Paul's Iowa Showing
By Paul M. Weyrich
CNSNews.com Commentary
August 22, 2007

Throughout the years I have received comments in support of Representative Ron Paul (R-TX). If he makes a major speech, casts a lone vote or is running for reelection, no other political figure has continued to have the lasting following that this unique Congressman from Texas has.

A regular reader asked me to explain why Representative Paul has continued to have a following which exceeds that of some of the front-running candidates in the Ames Iowa Straw Poll. Indeed, Paul received some 9-10 percent of the vote. But my dear friend from the neighboring State of Wisconsin, former Governor Tommy Thompson, put all he had into the poll, and he didn't do as well, causing him to withdraw as a Presidential candidate.

Then there's Mayor Rudolph (Rudy) Giuliani, the crime-fighter from New York, and former Senator Fred D. Thompson, the apparent darling of the conservatives, and others who didn't even bother to set foot in Iowa, who also ended up with no base in Iowa.

Yet here was good old Ron Paul, lumbering along, whom no one expected to win, place or show, who yet managed to survive the politics of an important bellwether state, surviving to fight another day. The question is why.

First, Ron Paul is different, and that alone draws a certain amount of support. Second, Ron Paul is a consistent follower of the Constitution, of whom there are few. Third, Ron Paul represents an authentic point of view, once articulated by the late Senator Robert A. Taft (R-OH), and he sticks with it.

Take one of the early debates when Paul nearly got ousted from the whole process. Ron Paul said we are under attack in the Middle East because we have meddled in that area ourselves. He paraphrased the late Senator Taft by saying we should not be involved in wars initiated by other nations.

Rudy Giuliani said he had heard many silly things down through the years as to why we are involved in the Middle East but this one tops them all. By articulating the authentic Taft view, Ron Paul was nearly ousted from further debates.

In fact, the Michigan State GOP Chairman is attempting to bar independents from voting in the Michigan Republican Primary. That would preclude Ron Paul's following among independent voters in Michigan from so voting. It likely would preclude Ron Paul from getting any Michigan votes in the Republican National Convention in Minneapolis in early September of 2008.

That is the most reprehensible of all of the moves against Ron Paul. If he has a small national following, as apparently he does, so be it. But he alone is willing to challenge the interests which have come to dominate the Republican Party in recent years.

Accordingly, Ron Paul has stood alone in recent years in following President George Washington's advice never to meddle in foreign affairs. Taft took up Washington's cause and paid dearly for it. Now only Ron Paul defends what may be termed the authentic Washington-Taft point of view.

On the other hand, I never have understood Representative Paul's many votes against our defense system. Some votes against the defense establishment in this country, yes, but to vote against defending America, I cannot understand.

The Constitution explicitly delegates the federal government the power to defend our country. To vote against some military programs, sure, but all of them? There must be reasonableness and responsibility.

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sometimeman said:

Hey ! Oh!-1

Glad you like my man Paul.
He'd make sausage out of Lie mar

DON'T LET IT GO TO YOUR HEAD SOMETIME..JUST THIS ONE TIME I AGREE WITH YOU ON RON PAUL!! JUST THIS ONCE!! ON RON PAUL!! NOTHING ELSE!!

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Awh now Oh-1, dang it you an't no dummy. Lie mar just an't worth it. He wouldn't make good sausage any way. But you can help bring better government to Union County. Lie mar has to go. He's got us in debt and we'll be paying more a long time on account of him.