Just a Post Turtle...

[taylor]

While standing at the bar of a local watering hole, a young man struck up a conversation with an old rancher standing next to him. Eventually the topic got around to politics and Obama's bid to be our President.

The old rancher said,
"Well, ya know, Obama ain't nothin' but a post turtle."

Not being familiar with the term, the young fellow asked him what a post turtle was.

The old rancher said,
"Well, when you're driving down a country road and ya come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that there's a post turtle."

The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the young man's face, so he continued to explain -
"See, ya know he didn't get up there by himself, he don't belong up there, he don't know what to do while he's up there, and ya just wonder what kind of a dumb a*s put him up there!"

[ana]

Good one. How true! ;D

[soaks]

Not quite sure what the point of the poster is - are any of us the same person they were 20 years ago?

And isn't John McSame the one who dumped his first wife for the rich heiress, now that's a role model we can all get behind.

[AskTheWiseOldMan]

Jul 10, 2008 12:46:15 GMT -4 soaks said:

Not quite sure what the point of the poster is - are any of us the same person they were 20 years ago?

And isn't John McSame the one who dumped his first wife for the rich heiress, now that's a role model we can all get behind.

Well I'm the same person I was 20 years ago. Who else would I be?

Seem that the point has something to do with the strength of our personal foundations. One of these guys had his plane shot out from under him and parachuted into enemy territory while defending his country, was tortured for almost six years, selflessly refused to be released ahead other POWs, yet came back and continues to serve our country as he has for the past 20+ years as a leader in the US Senate. He is married to a beautiful lady who never wrote hate-filled spew about people of other races and has always been proud to be an American. With God's grace he will be the next president of the United States.

The other one didn't, isn't and won't be.

[queenbee]

I have tried to stay out of this, but I just can't.

We appreciate what our vet's have done for us.
Not be-littling anything that they have done for our country.

We appreciate that even though we didn't have a dog in the Vietnam fight, they went into full combat battle.

I am sorry that he was a prisoner of war, but when he signed up he knew what could happen. The same thing they say of our boy's in Iraq right now.

BUT.... that was 30+ years ago.

Should he be elected just because he served his country that long ago?

Is that all that the election should be based on?

What has he done since then, or is he going to ride that 30+ year ago war into office?

I think we need to base it on more recent experience say the last 10 or 20 years, after all I am not the same person I was 20 years ago either.

And he isn't Pro-Choice, so that a strike against him.

[AskTheWiseOldMan]

Ok... For the past 20-30 years ... McCain paid his dues and developed into a leader in the US Senate. He has the benefit of service and leadership on the most important committees. He may be too liberal for some conservative talk-show hosts, but he's sponsored and passed more bills than Obama's even voted on.

He didn't take on the Senate as a stepping stone. He's served his country the whole time.

[queenbee]

John McCain on Civil Rights

# Voted against MLK holiday in 1983; now calls that a mistake. (Apr 2008)
# Don't ask, don't tell is working; don't tamper with it. (Jun 2007)
# Confederate flag on top of capitol was wrong; in front is ok. (May 2007)
# Leave gay marriage to the states. (Jan 2007)
# John Lewis was as courageous as anyone could ever hope to be. (Apr 2004)
# Fear did not restrain Dr. King to resist repression. (Apr 2004)
# 1994: No Senate hiring discrimination by sexual orientation. (Jan 2004)
# Support evangelism but don’t pander to evangelical leaders. (Feb 2000)
# Inter-racial dating ban is idiotic and cruel. (Feb 2000)
# Career-long history of supporting Indian causes. (Jan 2000)
# Ten Commandments would bring virtue to our schools. (Jan 2000)
# Confederate flag is a “symbol of heritage”. (Jan 2000)
# Allow, but not mandate, school prayer. (Jan 2000)
# Would be “comfortable” with a gay president. (Dec 1999)
# Flying Confederate flag should be left to states. (Sep 1999)
# 1st Amend. not a shield for hate groups. (Aug 1999)
# Indian gambling OK; lottery is not. (Aug 1999)
# Hollywood should voluntarily self-censor sex and violence. (Jul 1999)
# Supports Amendment against flag-burning. (Apr 1999)
# We don’t need laws against Spanish language & culture. (Mar 1999)
# Affirmative action OK for specific programs, but no quotas. (Jul 1998)

[queenbee]

John McCain on Corporations

* More deductible expensing of equipment investments. (Feb 2008)
* Cut corporate income taxes to keep jobs here. (Jan 2008)
* People worry about corporations unduly influencing elections. (Sep 2007)
* Voted NO on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
* Voted YES on reforming bankruptcy to include means-testing & restrictions. (Mar 2005)
* Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)
* Rated 61% by the US COC, indicating a mixed business voting record. (Dec 2003)

[queenbee]

Barack on Civil Rights

# Hate crimes related to the immigration issue is unacceptable. (Feb 2008)
# People want to move beyond our divisions. (Jan 2008)
# 2004 DNC speech merged "heritage" with "diversity". (Dec 2007)
# The politics of fear undermines basic civil liberties. (Oct 2007)
# 1980s boss predicted Obama would be heir to MLK's voice. (Aug 2007)
# Racial equality good for America as a whole. (Jun 2007)
# Put the Confederate flag in a museum, not the state house. (Apr 2007)
# Muslim heritage gives Obama unique influence in Muslim world. (Oct 2006)
# No black or white America--just United States of America. (Oct 2006)
# Gays should not face discrimination but should not marry. (Oct 2004)
# Forthright on racial issues and on his civil rights history. (Jul 2004)
# Defend freedom and equality under law. (May 2004)
# Politicians: don't use religion to insulate from criticism. (Apr 2004)
# Miscegenation a felony in 1960 when Obamas practiced it. (Aug 1996)
# The civil rights movement was a success. (Aug 1996)

[queenbee]

Barack on Corporations

* Cap the farm subsidies for Fortune 500 companies. (Dec 2007)
* End tax breaks for companies that send jobs overseas. (Aug 2007)
* Hold corporations responsible for pensions & work conditions. (Aug 2007)
* Tax incentives for corporate responsibility. (Jun 2004)
* Close tax loopholes for US companies relocating abroad. (Jun 2004)
* REAL USA Plan: Reward companies that create domestic jobs. (Jun 2004)
* Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
* Voted NO on reforming bankruptcy to include means-testing & restrictions. (Mar 2005)

[AskTheWiseOldMan]

I like that, nice concise and all.

[queenbee]

Both candidates have pro's and con's.

Both are under their party thumbs.

Both will not be able to keep all of their campaign promises.

It's will be a toss up on who will win.

I do not like Michelle Obama , I do not like Cindy McCain.

So I don't really know who I am voting for. Just have to wait and see which one tells me the lies I can most believe..

[queenbee]

By the way post turtle was put on here previously using George Bush.

[soaks]

Jul 10, 2008 14:59:15 GMT -4 AskTheWiseOldMan said:

Well I'm the same person I was 20 years ago. Who else would I be?

While I am the same enitity that I was 20 years ago, I have also been influenced by my life experience which has molded my political beliefs. Many of the beliefs that I held 20 years ago I still hold, others have been abandoned.

The poster in question is designed to invoke an emotional response from a segment of our population, it is designed to appeal to our most base nature - fear of the other, fear of difference.

Jul 10, 2008 14:59:15 GMT -4 AskTheWiseOldMan said:

Seem that the point has something to do with the strength of our personal foundations. One of these guys had his plane shot out from under him and parachuted into enemy territory while defending his country, was tortured for almost six years, selflessly refused to be released ahead other POWs, yet came back and continues to serve our country as he has for the past 20+ years as a leader in the US Senate.

While military service and scarifice is to be honored, it is not a notch above the service and contributions of everyday citizens.

Besides, we saw what happened to Max Cleland at the hands of this Republican slime machine. The same slime machine that produced McCain's black love-child, and the same propogators of this slime machine are now being embraced by McCain's campgain.

Jul 10, 2008 14:59:15 GMT -4 AskTheWiseOldMan said:

He is married to a beautiful lady who never wrote hate-filled spew about people of other races and has always been proud to be an American.

Which hate-filled spewings might these be?

[AskTheWiseOldMan]

We are all products of our foundations. Military service DOES elevate one's leadership abilities and indicates dedication to this nation. You cannot skip the foundation-building and expect to equality to those who've paid their dues. If you could, then for example, pro-ball players could skip over the 15-20 years of little league and amateur play and just go pro with no background. It doesn't work that way. It takes a strong foundation to rise to the big leagues.

American Socialists try hard, but cannot simply dismiss McCain's service to his country. He may not be perfect and I may not even vote for him, but Obama has never accomplished anything even close.

Please read more carefully if you wish to engage. I wrote "who never wrote hate-filled spewings" meaning NONE ... and you ask which they are? THEY AREN'T, SHE DIDN'T...