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Post by soaks on Jul 10, 2008 21:19:44 GMT -4
We are all products of our foundations. Military service DOES elevate one's leadership abilities and indicates dedication to this nation. There are many fields of endevour and life experience that elevate one's leadership abilities and indicate dedication to this nation. ...but Obama has never accomplished anything even close. Except nomination to the Presidency by a major political party. Please read more carefully if you wish to engage. I wrote "who never wrote hate-filled spewings" meaning NONE ... and you ask which they are? THEY AREN'T, SHE DIDN'T... Within the context of this discussion an implication has been laid on the table, but if you want to parse declarative sentences... |
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Post by soaks on Jul 10, 2008 21:40:49 GMT -4
Now that I think about it...
This poster (image) uses the same theme as the poster used against Max Cleland, except in Cleland's case it was used as (fear) = (something), with proxcimity of image placement creating the association.
Here the message is (fear) vs (trust).
But there's a deeper more subtle message
- in these dangerous times who do you want leading you -
Dipolmat (emmisarry) or Warrior
We have always lived in dangerous times.
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Post by AskTheWiseOldMan on Jul 10, 2008 21:58:52 GMT -4
It is what it is. If you want to parse eloquent declaratives here's one from right here in our own state just yesterday:
"Don't worry about immigrants learning English. You need to make sure that your child can speak Spanish."-Barack Obama
Maybe Jesse has a point.
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Post by soaks on Jul 10, 2008 22:22:32 GMT -4
It is what it is. If you want to parse eloquent declaratives here's one from right here in our own state just yesterday: "Don't worry about immigrants learning English. You need to make sure that your child can speak Spanish."-Barack Obama Maybe Jesse has a point. I would imagine that most immigrants will eventually learn English, espciecally those that are having to work. Hispanic immigration is going to continue - there's no value to close off - and it sounds like good advice to pick-up a second language. Looking into the future, Spanish would seem a better bet then French. Jesse who, and what point does he have? |
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Post by ana on Jul 10, 2008 23:48:13 GMT -4
It is what it is. If you want to parse eloquent declaratives here's one from right here in our own state just yesterday: "Don't worry about immigrants learning English. You need to make sure that your child can speak Spanish."-Barack Obama Maybe Jesse has a point. "Just one word!" AMEN! |
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Post by AskTheWiseOldMan on Jul 11, 2008 11:09:22 GMT -4
I would imagine that most immigrants will eventually learn English, espciecally those that are having to work. Hispanic immigration is going to continue - there's no value to close off - and it sounds like good advice to pick-up a second language. Looking into the future, Spanish would seem a better bet then French. Jesse who, and what point does he have? What you "imagine" is up to you, but "eventually" isn't within the context of Obama's remarks in Powder Springs. He was referring to children right now and what he thinks should be the focus in our nation's schools right now. If Obama is elected, perhaps Farsi would be a better choice than Spanish for the second language. After all, his explicit plan is to avoid war by negotiating - in oher words, giving something up - with/to terrorists specifically including Ahmadinejad. There are hundred of US children encamped at Madrassa jihad schools learning to be suicide bombers and anarchists today under the tutalege of the Taliban and Hezbollah. These children are learning Farsi and they're headed back to America after training. Two from Atlanta returned home just yesterday. Jesse.. aka "Jessie"... refers to Jackson. |
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Post by soaks on Jul 11, 2008 13:04:25 GMT -4
I would imagine that most immigrants will eventually learn English, espciecally those that are having to work. Hispanic immigration is going to continue - there's no value to close off - and it sounds like good advice to pick-up a second language. Looking into the future, Spanish would seem a better bet then French. Jesse who, and what point does he have? What you "imagine" is up to you, but "eventually" isn't within the context of Obama's remarks in Powder Springs. He was referring to children right now and what he thinks should be the focus in our nation's schools right now. If Obama is elected, perhaps Farsi would be a better choice than Spanish for the second language. After all, his explicit plan is to avoid war by negotiating - in oher words, giving something up - with/to terrorists specifically including Ahmadinejad. There are hundred of US children encamped at Madrassa jihad schools learning to be suicide bombers and anarchists today under the tutalege of the Taliban and Hezbollah. These children are learning Farsi and they're headed back to America after training. Two from Atlanta returned home just yesterday. Jesse.. aka "Jessie"... refers to Jackson. The quote as originally suppiled: It is what it is. If you want to parse eloquent declaratives here's one from right here in our own state just yesterday: "Don't worry about immigrants learning English. You need to make sure that your child can speak Spanish."-Barack Obama Maybe Jesse has a point. The first sentence is a statement. Don't worry about immigrants learning English.Most immigrants will eventually learn English, so where is the concern (worry). The second sentence is another statement. You need to make sure that your child can speak Spanish.Although there is a typo in my statement ("value" should be "valve") it does not impact the statement. Hispanic immigration will continue - there is no value in stopping it, and although it can be shut off completely ( valve), where is the value in that. There is an entrenched Hispanic population through out the country, and it is sound advice for a parent to encourage their child's education in a second language (a good portion of the world speaks more than one language). Looking forward, beyond the advantage within our country to a person who also speaks Spanish, it's a pretty good bet that we are going to see more inter-action between the Americas of this hemisphere. So if your child is to learn a second language, Spanish would be more useful than French. What you "imagine" is up to you, but "eventually" isn't within the context of Obama's remarks in Powder Springs. He was referring to children right now and what he thinks should be the focus in our nation's schools right now. I can only reply to the discussion as presented, but even in light of this new information I'll stand by my statements. There will be more and better job opportunities to someone who can speak both English and Spanish. If Obama is elected, perhaps Farsi would be a better choice than Spanish for the second language. After all, his explicit plan is to avoid war by negotiating - in oher words, giving something up - with/to terrorists specifically including Ahmadinejad. There are hundred of US children encamped at Madrassa jihad schools learning to be suicide bombers and anarchists today under the tutalege of the Taliban and Hezbollah. These children are learning Farsi and they're headed back to America after training. Two from Atlanta returned home just yesterday. In any negotiation there may be a perception of lose, gain, or a meeting of the minds. We have negotiated with communists, dictators, socialists, and democracies - haven't heard much about N Korea sense the George Bush Administration negotiated with them. Frankly, I would prefer to negotiate first, often, and in earnest before asking someone else to start dodging bullets for me. If it doesn't work out after making an honest effort we can always shoot somebody. Regarding the remainder of this, do you have any references? Jesse who, and what point does he have? Jesse.. aka "Jessie"... refers to Jackson. OK, Jesse Jackson, and what point did he have? EDIT: Formatting, spelling |
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Post by AskTheWiseOldMan on Jul 11, 2008 14:08:51 GMT -4
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Post by taylor on Jul 11, 2008 16:14:33 GMT -4
It is what it is. If you want to parse eloquent declaratives here's one from right here in our own state just yesterday: "Don't worry about immigrants learning English. You need to make sure that your child can speak Spanish."-Barack Obama Maybe Jesse has a point. I have no problem with any person in any country who wants to keep his/her own personal beliefs, traditions, and heritage alive within their own homes and within their families. I feel people should have the respect of others. No one should be persecuted for their culture. BUT - If I decide to move to "BF Egypt", I would be expected to learn the native language, their customs, acceptable behavior, holidays, etc. and to assimilate myself and my family into productive citizens. So it should be here for immigrants as well. By "immigrants", I mean LEGAL ones. Any illegals should be rounded up and sent back to wherever they came from. I have no problem with immigration, as long as it is done legally. Hmm...Let's see. In my family tree, I have veterans from the Revolutionary War, Civil War, WW I, WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam. They were all fighting for an ENGLISH speaking country. For the freedoms and rights of the people of this country. Our Declaration of Independence was written in ENGLISH. Our Constitution was written in ENGLISH. Our Bill of Rights was written in ENGLISH. The National Anthem was written in ENGLISH. I learned ENGLISH starting the day I was born. I will not learn ANY other language simply to "get along" in my own d*mn country! And I would NEVER want a leader who expected me or mine to do so. Period. |
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Post by soaks on Jul 12, 2008 2:14:57 GMT -4
Yes, I will admit that I have been lax in my civic duty. Normally I purchase, and read, the AJC everyday. I also read severals blogs and news sites, but this week's demands have eaten into these activities. Your posting jogged my memory of reading in last Friday's AJC that Obama was coming to town during this week, but I was not aware of the content of the speech (which was actually Town Hall format) until your posting. In an effort to come up to speed I put some time into Google trying to find more than just a report on the event, and anything with video is of no use on dialup. I did come across this "Transcript" in a couple of different places but I do not know the origin. It would appear that there is a difference between the quote you provided and what is presented here: After reading Obama's entire response I wanted to examine the point you are making in this comment: Perhaps you were not aware of the entire content of Obama's response. There is a difference between the use of should and shall, especially in a legal sense. The use of the word shall will carry an action through, where the use of should is suggestive. Within the context of the person using the words, I think Obama knows the difference. Regarding the point that Jesse might haveEven though my current event reading activities were at a low this week, I was still able to catch some radio in my vehicle. From this source I was aware of (2) Jesse's in the news this week. Jesse Helms and Jesse Jackson, either of which could have fit your reference. After being admonished earlier for making an incorrect inference from your comments I wanted to be clear as to your meaning. Regarding the Karachi KidsIf this is in fact as portrayed... well I'll need more than a press release, but will keep it mind. |
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Post by sometimeman on Jul 12, 2008 6:50:58 GMT -4
I appreciate both of you fellows intellect.
But, right here you are just pissing in the wind. Stop it or I'll cut your nuts out!
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Post by soaks on Jul 12, 2008 10:43:59 GMT -4
Americans have become great at producing State programs that steal from the productive and give to the unproductive: Welfare, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, etc. Are we to be restricted only to our individual or local efforts when trying to implement the suggestion: That which you do for the least among you, you do also for me. Just trying to figure out which principles we should try and implement as a nation. |
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Post by sometimeman on Jul 12, 2008 11:38:55 GMT -4
I feel the same way Bubba.
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Post by soaks on Jul 12, 2008 11:41:11 GMT -4
Are we to be restricted only to our individual or local efforts when trying to implement the suggestion: That which you do for the least among you, you do also for me. Just trying to figure out which principles we should try and implement as a nation. As for me-I would not want Christianity embedded into our government as Islam is embedded into the muslin nations, anyone can see the result from that. And you might want to consider the original principles our founders implemented when our Nation was formed and our modern day leaders have corrupted. I share your beleif that there should be a wall of separation between church and state. I think that care for the elderly, the infermed, and those subject to life's dangers beyond their own control, go further back into our roots then any of our known religions. Within small groups this suggestion is easy to implement and monitor, once it leaves the small group it can become corrupted. Should this corruption be considered a "cost of doing business" when trying to implement this suggestion on the larger scale? |
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Post by AskTheWiseOldMan on Jul 12, 2008 12:31:29 GMT -4
Are we to be restricted only to our individual or local efforts when trying to implement the suggestion: That which you do for the least among you, you do also for me.Just trying to figure out which principles we should try and implement as a nation. Here's another: Thou Shalt Not Steal. |
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