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Post by shortcircuit on Oct 1, 2007 16:49:00 GMT -4
This thread got me to thinking, it's a good that salvation is between US and GOD, not US and MAN. Because if it were up to MAN hell would be overflowing with people. I've heard preachers and others say "so and so is hell bound". How in the world do they know that? They try to condemn people to hell since they don't agree with everything they say. The world is full of wolves in sheeps clothing. If people want to know my beliefs I will gladly share them, but few things tick me off more than someone telling me what I believe is wrong. THEY are the one who is wrong, because I settled things with my savior a long time ago. What God giveth, no man can taketh away. My savior preached a message of love, not hate. I've been in some awesome worship services with one or two other people and those services have taken place in my office at work, in the car travelling, in many places. We need to remember the sabbath seven days a week, not just one. I'm in agreement with ape, a church is not a building, a church is the people who worship God. I rarely go to church on sunday myself, it seems like every time I go the people are arguing about something. Am I wrong in doing so? Maybe so, but that's for me and God to work out. Setting only one day a week aside for God seems kind of odd to me, we need to worship him 24/7. I'm done ranting now.  |
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Post by shortcircuit on Oct 1, 2007 16:54:58 GMT -4
Oh, and just out of curiosity sometimeman, are you seventh day adventist? Not trying to argue, I was just wondering.
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Post by sometimeman on Oct 1, 2007 19:31:30 GMT -4
No Short.
They got the right day but they got other stuff that an't right.
Relax, I an't condemning you, Ape or anyone to hell. Christ earned the right to say who goes and who don't. He paid for it with the blood out of his veins. There is no way I could question his decision. There an't many I believe would be fair. I believe he would.
On the label thing, right now I don't wear one. I was sprinkled into the Presbyterian Church when I was a boy. I guess if I have to have a label, you could call me a Messianic Jew.
Why is the label important to you?
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Post by shortcircuit on Oct 1, 2007 20:17:44 GMT -4
It's not, I was just wondering. My beliefs are somewhat aligned with the baptists but I don't wear a denominational label either. "Christian" suits me just fine.
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Post by manape on Oct 1, 2007 23:06:04 GMT -4
Sometimeman, now that I know you are a "Messianic Jew", how was Yom Kippur this year?
Sometimeman, I missed Yom Kippur, too. I'm sorry I don't observe Yom Kippur or attend church on Saturday. I'm not a very good Messianic Jew, but I do have the right GOD. You see sometimer, it would seem pointless to participate in such a holiday. When I decided to follow Jesus, His atonement took care of my present, past, and future sins. It's not that this gives me a right to sin.
I know how you hate sin and dislike arrogance and ignorance. Just don't let my stupidity stand in your WAY. It is just that I don't need to repent and be saved every year on June 10th or every Sunday or Saturday. The bottom line is: I really don't need anymore guilt trips. I outgrew my childhood religion.
According to Jesus, being saved once is enough. I guess I do a lot of things that the Bible says I shouldn't do. I can't do nothing about the Pope and Catholics though. I don't think you are going to get very far on getting pig-headed baptist to change from Sunday to Saturday. I should know. Besides, my wife would be pretty mad if I avoided work on Saturday. She has enough of a problem getting her "Honey-do" list done on Saturday. I even left some tools on the roof when I was doing that little chore on Saturday, and had to climb the ladder and get them down on Sunday. I never went to church either. It sure was restful. I talked to God and read his bible. I talked to my wife some. I just didn't have much time for church.
I eat unclean beast like pork. But you know, sometimer I do read the parts that have to do with my salvation and I believe every word of it...the bible alone: not man-made religion...sola scripture [bible alone for my salvation]. The other differences, rote memory, guilt, legalism, church government, thousands of rules, etc. are just not very important to me.
Heck, I'm not even a good Baptist. My dad keeps asking me why I don't come to church anymore. I can't tell him, sometimer. I'm sorry sometimer, I'm just not into Catholic bashing and pew jumping, tradition, preacher-priest, legalism, and the chains that bind Christians. But don't tell my dad. It would hurt his feelings. They even had a sign in the parking lot for me. It said you can't hide from God by missing church. They got that right. I didn't give up on God. I just lost my religion.
I think the bible says somewhere that heaven is his footstool. It is a big building, but sometimes I think GOD us just too big to fit in there. Anyway, I don't go to church much, except for weddings and funerals.
Sin, is a terrible thing sometimer. My GOD gave his life for me because of my sin nature and rose from the grave on the third day. He even forgave me for my sins (present, past, and future). Only GOD can do that. I asked GOD what His name is...His name is Jesus.
Sometimer, I guess I'm just not very religious. I attend church on the wrong day (if I do go at all), I am backsliding, I'm a Christian Humanist (a humanist who believes in GOD -- I can't even get that right!), and I just don't seem to fit anywhere. That's OK though sometimer, GOD understands me and that is all that matters to me. I really need a Savior sometimeman. I just can't keep up with all those laws in the Old Testament. I'm sure glad the name of my GOD is JESUS, the name above all names.
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Post by sometimeman on Oct 1, 2007 23:42:24 GMT -4
Ape said, "forgave me for my sins (present, past, and future)"
I believe you misunderstand Ape. When God saves you he not only cleans the cobwebs out of your life, he kills the spider!
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God” 1 JOHN 3:9
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Post by manape on Oct 2, 2007 10:24:14 GMT -4
Ape said, "forgave me for my sins (present, past, and future)" I believe you misunderstand Ape. When God saves you he not only cleans the cobwebs out of your life, he kills the spider! Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God” 1 JOHN 3:9 Well, I am amazed! You got that right, sometimer. It was my second birth and I agree the cobwebs are gone because of God. It sure wasn't me. I left my sins at the foot of the cross and he suffered a terrible death because of them. The LORD's name is Jusus, Sometimeman. Is he your LORD? Do we worship the same GOD? Remember what the psalmist said: "Those who know your name will turst in you, for you, LORD, have never forsaken those who seek you." I'll admit I'm still seeking Him. Sorry, the old sin nature is still there. That's why I need to trust Him. I just couldn't do my own cleaning, sometimer. I was separated from God. Now, I have a relationship with Him. I asked Him his name and he said, "my name is Jesus." I don't claim to be perfect, sometimemanape. The spiders try to come back to haunt me, but I rebuke them in the name of Jesus. God says if you really want to know Him and who He is and have a relationship with him, then you will find him--if you sincerely seek him with your whole heart. So, I am asking you, do you really want to know him? What is HIS name, sometimemanape? Is it Jesus, the name above all names? Is it the name above all false gods? Do you worship the same GOD in prayer 24/7 or do you just worship Him on Saturday? The good book says we should pray to him without ceasing. Prayer is worship. Do you talk with Him? The songs, the preaching, the church service, the preacher jokes, the clothes you wear to impress people in the temple...it is to be seen, sometimer? Has it become entertainment. Was this the worship that the early church practiced? The only way I can tell is go back to the Bible, for it is a record of the early church. That is why I say sola scripture, the bible alone. Man has distorted the WAY of Jesus. I still seek that which is true. That is why I seek that which is real. When you go to the temple, do you go to see GOD, or be seen? Do you go to be seen putting your money in the collection plate or does everything you have belong to GOD? We are his TEMPLE and HE IS THE SABBATH, sometimer. I'll admit I have problems with these things (my sin nature), sometimer. The old man, or the old child, in my case still haunts me. That's why I seek him and his perfection. My wife will tell you He is still working on me. My attempt to be sinless, my arrogance and my ignorance are nothing more than filthy rags. I give it to Jesus, sometimer, but I don't give it all. God is still teaching me to know what to do sometimer. It is a journey, not a destination. However, my destination is clear... Someday, I will have a perfect mind and a perfect body, but it will not be in this kingdom. It will be the kingdom to come. That is why I seek Him! Don't get me wrong sometimer, the spiders want to come back. I can't be perfect on my own. Sometimes, I question God and I wonder if he is really there. But I keep seeking Him, and he answers me through his bible. So, he must be there. Only God is perfect and when he spent about 33 years on earth in a human body, our sin killed him and the religous leaders of that day who happened to be Jews killed him. Our religion killed him and some have said even in our age, "God is dead." I don't blame them. God said they know not what they do. He is waiting to forgive us because of our ignorance and arrogance. If I had been there I would have probably denied him too, just like Peter. The good news is he defeated death, arose from the grave and they believed and trusted Him. We can also, trust Him. Turst is the key that opens the door to blessing.... Trust in the LORD with all your heart; do not depend on your own understanding. Seek his will in all you do, and he will show you which path to take. Proverbs 3:5-6. Gotta go, sometimer. |
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Post by sometimeman on Oct 2, 2007 11:05:38 GMT -4
Ape said, " Sorry, the old sin nature is still there."
When they raised you up out of the watery baptismal grave they raised up the old nature eh?
Kill the spider Ape and cob webs won't be a problem.
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Post by manape on Oct 2, 2007 16:37:00 GMT -4
Ape said, " Sorry, the old sin nature is still there." When they raised you up out of the watery baptismal grave they raised up the old nature eh? Kill the spider Ape and cob webs won't be a problem. No, it was dirty pond water. It didn't wash my sins away. It was just a ritual or symbol to show that I accepted Jesus. It is Jesus plus nothing. HE is the WAY to the kingdom to come, not my goodness. My goodness is filthy rags; it is HIS goodness that the FATHER sees, not mine. It is I who should be punished by separation from GOD, but JESUS made a way. He is the way, the truth, and the life. Some are sprinkled and some go down into the water. I read nothing of spiders in the bible, but I read about sin. The sin nature was inherited from my parents. I can't kill the spiders by myself, sometimeman. It is in my DNA. God has to kill them. It is not like I go out and kill people or anything. It is not like I get drunk. No, it is little sins. It is calling public officials and other people liars. It is my judgment of people. It is condemning them to hell, because of my arrogance and ignorance. It is getting mad.... If I could have killed all my sins (spiders), there would be no point in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection. Because of the SON, the FATHER can look upon me, now, when HE couldn't before. He is still working on me sometimer. No, I am not a perfect Humanist whose perfection comes from self and not THE GOD of Creation. It is not my own perfection. It is HIS perfection that saves me. Sometimer, when the Jews tried to stone the woman at the well, and he said, "Let he who is free of sin cast the first stone.' Why did her accusers leave without stoning her? Surely, they were Jews who observed the laws, they were the prefect pharisees, they participated in the atonement on the seventh month of the seventh day, they observed the Sabbath, yet they could not cast the first stone, because they were not free of the spiders. Yet, Jesus told her to go and sin no more. A woman with many husbands, a sleeper. Did she believe in the Savior? Was it because she sinned no more or were her sins forgiven because of her faith in the name above all names, Jesus? What did he write in the sand. Was it the cross? Was not the gift free and unconditional (belief in Jesus, GOD-with-us plus the nothingness of our laws, our rules, and out goodness)? How did you kill the spiders, sometimer? Are you saved by the blood of Jesus? Did you turn away from your spiders or did YOU exterminate them? |
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Post by sometimeman on Oct 2, 2007 17:14:47 GMT -4
God is in the spider killing business Ape. He never does it with out permission. You still got problems?
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Post by sometimeman on Oct 2, 2007 17:16:45 GMT -4
Ape wrote, "What did he write in the sand. Was it the cross?"
It takes two to tango Ape. I think he wrote "their" names. They went away one by one!
You might have your stories mixed up Ape.
The woman at the well didn't know who she worshiped.
The woman about to get stoned was the one "taken in adultery"
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Post by manape on Oct 2, 2007 22:30:29 GMT -4
Yes, I know sometimeman, I got my stories mixed up. You passed the test. So, how many animals did Moses take on the arc, sometime man? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by sometimeman on Oct 2, 2007 22:42:22 GMT -4
It's alright Ape. I don't have the keys, he does. Find out all you can about him. He's worthy of your Trust.
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Post by manape on Oct 3, 2007 1:06:03 GMT -4
RESEARCH MATERIAL FOR APE
In Dr. Henry Cloud's book, The Secret Things of God (Unlocking the Treasures Reserved for You), Dr. Cloud asked, "What's your "God Story"?
Cloud says everyone's God story is different, and their stories show how he meets us where we are, in just the way we need.
My boring life:
WARNING! It is boring. Don't waste your time reading it! It is rambling, just like my life. Hey, but it is my life.
I was nine years old, but I remember getting on my knees beside my bed and asked God to save me. So, far no lights. No zapping! No megaton nuclear light-flash-blinding Damascus Road experience. Fast forward...graduated from HS. Went to college. Got married. Went to more college. Got a boring job. Got more boring jobs.
My wife and I met the Anderson's in a Laundromat and they became our Sunday school teachers. The church grew. The preacher had to build another church. Mr. Anderson committed adultery, divorced Mrs. Anderson, and married his young secretary that he had the affair with. Meantime, back at the Baptist Church...The church split because the preacher was accused of fondling women during his closed door counseling sessions.
The kids grew up, married and had kids. My wife and I moved back to the mountains and the church I grew up in...changed. The preacher is a good man. I just can't understand him. Perhaps, I changed...Sorry God, I'm just not into pew jumping, gasping for air sermons, and Catholic bashing. I'm not going to some church in my Sunday best, sit there, and not get anything out of it. Might as well stay home and blog on blairsvillecity.com.
God please forgive me. I know I am jaded. The LORD knows I don't want anyone to stay out of church because of me.
They do a lot of good. I'm hoping I find one where I fit.
I take great comfort in what the psalmist said: Those who know your name will trust in you, for you, LORD, have never forsaken those who seek you.
Do you want to please God? Your works won't do it. You got to have faith.
It is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exist and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him.
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Post by manape on Oct 3, 2007 1:07:32 GMT -4
God is in the spider killing business Ape. He never does it with out permission. You still got problems? No problems here, sometimeman; just opportunities. |
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