Lamar Paris

[bubbadebubba]

Oct 11, 2008 7:14:18 GMT -4 manape said:

Oct 10, 2008 21:53:04 GMT -4 bubbadebubba said:

I trust myself. I just don't trust the Republican candidates of Union County who use dirty politics. I agree that is a sorry state of affairs (I'm not calling all Republicans Repubs, just the ones who try to bring our county down and act like you spend a lot of time in a pub). The number one reason I don't listen to your babble is this. You are masters at distributing misinformation.

You might be a REPUB if...a few examples include:

• You call JW Payne's business cards campaign material and call that an ethics violation.
  
• You use bogus statistics to misrepresent data (Your per capita numbers are used to misrepresent truth)
  
• and you try to persuade the people by insulting them.
  

We can't trust you in the small matters and we sure can't trust you to run our government. Why don't you use those big brains to make Union County better by helping solve problems? Then, you would be worthy of our votes. We would have a real choice.

Why don't you try to restore dignity back to the republican party (Justin M seems to be trying, but he is one of the few)?

The people don't want to listen to a bunch of babbling BS'ing whiners. Why should we hire your leaders for public office? Have you holier than thou pharisees thought about following the teaching of Holy Scripture? "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." Naw, that would be smart and that is why you are not in control.

First off, I see that I've assumed too much of you ape. My assumptions being you could see two sides of an issue, another assumption being you could tell the difference between political rhetoric and actual issues, and another assumption being you had sense enough to know the difference between a republican party member and a non-member which agrees with most of what the party stands for. Like sometimeman says, "ape ain't got no sense".
I see I was wrong.

You accuse me of being a republican, I don't belong to the party but I do identify with it's conservative ideals. The democratic party does not represent any of my beliefs because it is the party of Socialists calling themselves democratic.

You mention insults to the people; a good subject to Pursue so here is my take on that.

Paris has insulted all the people of Union County by not following the law to publish splost data.

Paris has insulted the people by not attending the League of Women voter's debate and also the League itself, in collusion with the sorry NGN and the sorry editor.

Paris has insulted the people by not letting them vote in a referendum to buy county land.

And too many other insults to list here.

You ape, have insulted the people by your steadfast denial that Paris has done anything wrong, along with other insults.


You mis-inform and insult the people by declaring per capita numbers not valid when the opposite is true. Per Capita numbers show differences more accurately than millage comparisons. Millage comparisons only show same PROPERTY VALUE tax. It does NOT show Irregularities in VALUE county to county and, within the county, of favored citizens by the courthouse crowd and disparities of property Equalization. Millage only shows a false assumption of low tax in Union County compared to other counties.
Per Capita shows the real comparison rate and is used by many other government bodies and private industry, so again you and the commisar insult the people.

I don't try to persuade people, I put the data there and let them make their own decisions. And I for sure don't try to persuade you.

You on the other hand try to persuade by offering the same sorry response the commisar does, which is a lot of B.S., with a little of actual data included, to mis-inform the people.

Like the commisar, you use the excuse "I didn't know" and deny,-deny,-deny.

Anyone can tax and spend and raise taxes and claim you are solving the County's problems when in actuality you are creating the problems. High foreclosures, many having trouble paying their property taxes, many having trouble buying food and all the while the commisar wasting taxpayers money.

And last; every time you reach out to proclaim you are ordained by Scripture to correct and admonish, you blaspheme. You insult the faith of others.

All of the above is the reason I will vote for Cook and because I know Cook is a more honest man.

[sometimeman]

Thank you Bubba.
Cook is a more honest man. This is reason enough to vote for him.

Ape, your posts lack credibility. Nothing substantiates your position.
Your Bud has done great harm to Union County.

[luckyme]

as I read the posts the only one's that seem to whine are the one's without the facts.
and we know who they are!!

[manape]

Ape, your posts lack credibility. Nothing substantiates your position.
Your Bud has done great harm to Union County.

Credibility refers to the objective and subjective components of the believability of a source or message. Approximately, 99.9 % of the post on this forum lack credibility, including yours, sometimer. What's your point?

[manape]

Oct 11, 2008 21:59:07 GMT -4 luckyme said:

as I read the posts the only one's that seem to whine are the one's without the facts.
and we know who they are!!

Luchyme, IS THAT A FACT or a theory?

I know who they are, too. I know I'm not interviewing for the job. My job is to cast ONE vote. I'm not wasting my vote on someone who can only tell us what the problems are. Any baby candidate can do that. I only want to know what they can do for UC.

What we need is someone who can get the job done. What KOOK's boys don't seem to understand is the difference between facts and propaganda. Professor Manape will explain it again.

Here is an example of a fact and whining. The Republican party didn't get their meeting in the Union County Court House. That's a fact, but they keep on whining about about it. Man up, grow up, get mad, get elected if you can, and quit whining. The Republic of Union County won't hire whining babies. Act your age not your IQ.

How do you find out what the facts are? I'm glad you asked that question. Facts are only facts if they are validated. Always validate or confirm information that you find on the Internet. If you don't know who wrote what you read or why they wrote it, you don't know if it's trustworthy.

Political statements are in reality a form of propaganda, not facts. They fit this definition when they present the opposing point of view in an unfavorable light. All political organizations do this on a variety of issues. Therefore, it is up to the voters to determine the real facts.

Class dismissed.

[bubbadebubba]

"Professor Manape will explain it again."

as usual; no substance between the quotes

"Class dismissed. "

pomposity is a self defeating trait.

pom·pos·i·ty /pɒmˈpɒsɪti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pom-pos-i-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun, plural -ties for 3.
1. the quality of being pompous.
2. pompous parading of dignity or importance.
3. an instance of being pompous, as by ostentatious loftiness of language, manner, or behavior.

[bubbadebubba]

Per Capita numbers show differences more accurately than millage comparisons. Millage comparisons only show same PROPERTY VALUE tax. It does NOT show Irregularities in PROPERTY VALUE county to county and, within the county, of favored citizens by the courthouse crowd and disparities of property Equalization. Millage only shows a false assumption of low tax in Union County compared to other counties.
Per Capita shows the real comparison rate and is used by many other government bodies and private industry.

[bubbadebubba]

THE COMMISAR AND HIS SUPPORTERS SAY PER CAPITA TAXES DO NOT REFLECT ACTUAL TAXES AND PARIS GOES ON TO SAY THE NUMBER REFLECTS BOTH LOCAL AND SCHOOLS. HE IS RIGHT, IT DOES REFLECT BOTH TAXING AUTHORITIES. SO LET'S SEE WHICH TAXING AUTHORITY HAS INCREASED TAXES THE MOST IN UNION COUNTY, LOCAL GOVERNMENT OR SCHOOLS. HERE ARE THE NUMBERS FOR YEAR 2000 AND YEAR 2005.

TAXES LEVIED PER PERSON-------COUNTY-------MILL RATE FROM 2000 REPORT
$456.50-----------------------UNION---------13.6 TOTAL LOCAL AND SCHOOLS

TAXES LEVIED PER PERSON-------COUNTY--------MILL RATE FROM 2007 REPORT
$855--------------------------UNION---------14.229 TOTAL LOCAL AND SCHOOLS



2000
TAXES LEVIED PER PERSON-------COUNTY-------MILL RATE FROM 2000 REPORT
$456.50-----------------------UNION---------13.6 TOTAL MILLS
$166------------County Government Only-----MILL RATE 4.8
$290.50---------COUNTY SCHOOLS ONLY--------MILL RATE 8.8

FOR YEAR 2000, SCHOOLS MADE UP 63.7% OF TOTAL PROPERTY TAXES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT
MADE UP 36.3% OF TOTAL PROPERTY TAXES.



2005
TAXES LEVIED PER PERSON-------COUNTY--------MILL RATE FROM 2007 REPORT
$855--------------------------UNION---------14.229 TOTAL MILLS
$400--------------COUNTY GOVERNMENT ONLY----MILL RATE 6.65
$455--------------COUNTY SCHOOLS ONLY-------MILL RATE 7.759

FOR YEAR 2005 SCHOOLS MADE UP 53.3% OF TOTAL PROPERTY TAXES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT
MADE UP 46.7% OF PROPERTY TAXES.


Anyone can see very easily that Local Government under PARIS has had an EXPLOSION in taxes and no NEW services to show for it. Anyone can see that TAXES PER CAPITA ARE A VERY RELIABLE INDICATOR of how much taxes are, and which authority is doing the taxing.

[bubbadebubba]

So all the statistics above come down to the following:::

The Local Government taxes per capita increased 141% under paris from 2000 to 2005.

The School Government taxes per capita increased 57% during the same time period from 2000 to 2005.

While the School system did HAVE a huge tax increase of 52% in 2005, the average over the 5 year timeframe was 11.4% PER YEAR, which is acceptable and falls inline with most other government bodies.

The County under Paris during the same 5 year period averaged 28.2% PER YEAR, which IS NOT acceptable and is more than double most other government bodies.


THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THE VALIDITY OF COMPARING PER CAPITA TAXES BETWEEN DIFFERENT TAXING AUTHORITIES OR DIFFERENT COUNTIES.

[manape]

Bubba, thanks for the word of the day.

I'm pompous, arrogant, and I vote. Get used to it.



FOR COMMISSIONER.

[luckyme]

man, I too get tired of some of the statistics, but numbers don't lie.

what I think you've overlooked is the number's of those in office, over budget, no oversite, no accountability. (Do you have an explaination for any of these? I'd be interested to hear.)

I've personally asked for accountability, got half of it but not the most important part, they say how much they spent, but won't say how much it was supposed to cost; won't give the cost comparison that would interest most of us.

Because the jail ran over time and budget and the courthouse ran over time and budget, is that the reason the library has been put off for the past umm about how many years?

Seems if it's not a pet project of Liessomemore, it either gets pushed off, or not done. Doesn't bother to remind the voters that they have already voted to improve, etc., that project in the previous splosts tax.Meanwhile he gets to live in the palacial wing of the courthouse.

He or his family gets to profit from the sale of property to the county without a vote from the residence.

There were grants in place when he took office and contracts that were in place when he took office, they never came to fruision, where did all those monies go? Seems no one care, they just believe whatever their told, sheep and ostrich; over the cliff or head in the sand.

Man, are you getting my drift of why I'm having a problem with the current commish? and why you should be too, this is just the tip of what's not correct with the administration.

[luckyme]

man, in a county election does it really matter about party, how about the character, ingegrity, and accountability of the person. seems the current admin has let me down on all those counts in a major way!!

leading our legal organ in not allowing psa's and not allowing any voice he dosn't agree with, how shallow, how weak, how pathetic, but where can an opposing voice be heard, what a travisty.

you get a free voice in the legal organ, I can't and for that I'm more than ourtraged as an American citizen, they get first right freedom, as I don't agree with there stances, I'm denied my freedoms.

So man, what country/county do we live in?? I'm interested in your answer.

[manape]

Call, write, fax and email and tell the republicans there is a huge voting block they have lost.

[manape]

you get a free voice in the legal organ, I can't and for that I'm more than ourtraged as an American citizen, they get first right freedom, as I don't agree with there stances, I'm denied my freedoms.

So man, what country/county do we live in?? I'm interested in your answer.

I don't know about publishing in the leagal organ because I've never written to the NGN, I hadn't planned on it, but that is a good suggestion. Perhaps, I'll try it someday.

I live in the United States of America right here in good old Union County, GA. My Scottish, Irish, and German ancestors have been here since the land was taken from the Indians. I was born here, went to college in the big city, had to find jobs away from here, educated my kids, finally found a living here, moved back, live here and own a house here. That's about it.

man, in a county election does it really matter about party, how about the character, ingegrity, and accountability of the person. seems the current admin has let me down on all those counts in a major way!!

It matters about party. I was a Republican before I moved back to Union County. Yes, character, integrity, and accountability of the person counts. I still have Republican beliefs of Reagan. The Republican party here in UC is too extreme for my taste.

I believe the problem of the local Republican party is leadership, not the not the common people who are Republicans. I would love to see dignity restored to the Republican party. I feel Harold Cook is more focused on hording money than putting it to use and only saving enough for emergencies.

The current administrator has his faults and apparently most people here feel he let them down, but most of the people I talk to in my work, church meetings, and other community organizations feel like the commissioner has done a good job.

man, I too get tired of some of the statistics, but numbers don't lie.

One of the first things I learned in statistics is "There are lies, damed lies, and then there are statistics." (Doctor Ury) One of my degrees is in applied statistics. I don't disagree with the millage rate tables, because you can compare equal property in multiple counties. I don't really disagree with per capita statistics. I just don't think it is a very useful statistic for comparing property taxes.

[sometimeman]

Lighten up a little Ape.
Hows Beaky doing?