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Post by cooter on Oct 31, 2008 0:45:58 GMT -4
That's weird...are you saying Paris is a socialist? How do you figure that, bubbadebubba? Paris doesn't appear to have a socialist agenda, but if you can enlighten us go ahead. I understand Paris owned a finance company, he owns a lot of property, and he was a developer. He sounds like a capitalist to me. My decision had nothing to do with socialism. I believe in business development that puts people to work and capitalism. I based my decision on two major conclusions, as follows: 1. Cook sounds like a negative man - I just don't appreciate Cook's negative campaigning and it turned me off big time. Furthermore, It appears Cook is hiding behind his negative campaigning of blowing smoke and mirrors. From "Harold Cook's 2000 audit report" findings on page 5A of the NGN, it is apparent that Cook is incompetent and inept. Many people I come in contact with every day feel the same. 2. Paris just seems more positive to me. From his one-page ad, Cook is just talking trash and showing his back end. I like what Paris said, "It is "Our County" and with your continued input, support and vote, we will maintain our commitment of having a bright future with more jobs, continued planning for our future and an improved quality of life." He didn't say the state's county. Socialism a system of society or group living in which there is no private property where the means of production are owned and controlled by the state. Do you have another definition of socialism Mr. bubba other than the one above or is it just a word you use for those who do not vote your way or entirely agree with your views? I agree with you and Cook on the basics. Public officials should control spending, bring new businesses into the county, and use our tax money wisely. However, I may have been more impressed, if Cook sounded like a voice of reason, instead of some babbling fool. That's Cook's real problem. Like or not Paris just seem to be smarter. He presented FACTS while Cook is just talking trash. BTW, I didn't vote for a Democrat for President. Go John Wayne McCain!
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Post by rmreed on Oct 31, 2008 6:20:46 GMT -4
Cooter, (are you new in this area). Paris had already started the negative before Cook came out. But here is Harold's answer about Paris' and Bell's negative ad..
L Have you ever wondered why Dick Bell is always trying to make my last administration look bad . Could it be that I would not take over his sub-standard roads in his subdivisions, as county maintained roads . And when Paris was elected , they used the county equipment to bring the roads up to standard, and then the county paved these roads for him. That could be one of the reasons that most of the roads in Union county have been patched instead of resurfaced, because Paris used too much county road funds to pave roads in his friends projects. I also would like to say at this time that every road that we did work on was a legal county maintained road; I always made sure of this. When I left office in 2000 almost all the roads in Union county had been resurfaced, and the ones that had not, we already had a contract with the state D.O.T. to resurface them. When I left office we had close to one million dollars surplus in the road SPLOST fund , that could be used for these other roads, and also some of these funds were set aside to help build the bridge on the old Blue Ridge hwy. ( the one that is torn down now ). What happened to the million dollar surplus that I left in the road fund, and where has all the road SPLOST funds that Paris received gone? Now Paris has put all this goobblee- goop about what was in the county audit in his last ad in the North Ga. news. All the things he claims that was wrong with Union County budget were his interpretation, and no laws were ever broken. We always had a balanced budget. Paris wants to say that some of the Road SPLOST funds were used for contract work, salaries, repairs, maintenance, fuel and other operating cost. That was all road related items and according to our county attorney was what the road SPLOST funds were intended to be used for. PARIS IS AGAIN JUST TRYING TO CONFUSE THE ISSUES, you will notice that he does not say anything about what he has done to you on your taxes. So I again want to list the following tax information for you to look at before you make your choice as to who will be your next commissioner.
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Post by bubbadebubba on Oct 31, 2008 7:02:53 GMT -4
"we will maintain our commitment of having a bright future with more jobs, continued planning for our future and an improved quality of life."
Talk about blowing smoke, the above statement is the ultimate in blowing smoke.
He's brought no jobs to Union County other than bigger local government jobs with same services; he's spent hundreds of thousands and maybe a few million on the development Authority with no new jobs to show for it.
He's got his supporters believing ONLY because he has learned the ART of slick Wille, i.e. talk around a subject and the tell the people all is well and they are doing fine and he will protect them and feed them their daily bread.
"He presented FACTS while Cook is just talking trash."
Not so, Paris has no facts to brag about. Fact #1--taxes the 5th highest in all of north GA. Fact #2--$3 million over budget on the courthouse addition, notice I said ADDITION, not a complete courthouse. Fact #3--over paying 3 times the value of land. Fact #4--GPS units for golf carts. Fact #5 thru Fact #etc.,etc., etc.
Cook has many facts, I refer you to his webpage.
"Like or not Paris just seem to be smarter."
He's obviously smarter than his supporters.
"I just don't appreciate Cook's negative campaigning" Only Paris supporters say this. Paris leads off with negative comments and Cook responds and Paris supporters cry foul. Typical Paris moaning and groaning and whining.
""Socialism a system of society or group living in which there is no private property where the means of production are owned and controlled by the state.""
We are well on the way to Socialism, or have you not kept up with the news. Feds now own or have major interest in the banks, in the mortgage industry, the Airline industry, the automobile industry, and others industries. Governments; Local, State, and Federal, today are a daily burden and a daily part of everyone's life, having too much control, even down to what kind of commode to use.
You are probably too young to NOT know the time in our Country when the word "government" only came up in conversation maybe once a month, now it's every day, all day long. The governments want this , the governments want that, and the taxpayers foot the bill for the follies of those elected to serve who now consider themselves rulers.
And yes, Paris belongs to the Party of Socialist known as Democrats. All one has to do is look at the national party and the national party is what influences the local parties.. One can even look at the State level in Georgia and see the result. It's only a matter of time before it gets to the local level; heck, it's already here, just read "leaning left" in the Sentinel.
Socialism is like kudzu, it is a creeping disease that gradually overtakes the unwary and establishes itself before the unwary wakes up. It is then too late to correct the problem other than over-throwing it. A sad day for your children and grand-children.
And last, have you been getting your viewpoints from manape? you sound a lot like him.
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Post by bubbadebubba on Oct 31, 2008 7:32:33 GMT -4
Halloween--A kid makes up a pretty good costume and visits several different homes.
A Liberals home--The Liberal answers the door and tells the kid he should give some of his candy to the liberal so the liberal can spread it around to others. When elected to office the Liberal will tax the candy and give it to others. The Liberal is too cheap to buy candy.
A Democrats home--Same as the Liberals.
A Socialists home--The Socialist answers the door and tells the kid he is taxing him on the candy and gets close to half of the kids candy. He eats a great deal of the candy and gives the rest to his cronies.
A Communist home--The Communist answers the door, takes all of the kids candy and gives him back one or two pieces.
A TRUE Republicans home--The Republican answers the door, sees the kid has spent a lot of time and effort with his costume. The TRUE Republican, out of his own pocket, gives the kid some candy and tells the kid "You've done a good job with your costume and deserve a good reward of candy."
A Tightwads home--The Tightwad turns off the lights, refuses to answer the door, keeps his gun handy in case the 6 year old kid vandalizes his home.
Which house do you live in??
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Post by bubblebutt2 on Oct 31, 2008 9:28:19 GMT -4
You know its a shame, no its probably criminal that people that have opinions that don't agree with the fishwrapper and this bunch of criminals that run our government have no avenue of expression or defense against the garbage that we are expected to read in the NGN. Anybody with an ounce of brains can see the obvious bull we are being fed. 100 miles of roads? I go all over this county and all I see paved are the ones the state paved and one in the north of the county that gives Lamar better access to his own property. I judge my taxes this way. The amount I had to pay increased each year since Lamar has been in office. Those are facts that we can all see. The Baptist Church caught Lamar in an outright lie and he keeps spouting off that Harold and everyone who crosses him are lier's when he is the only one I know is certified. I see ole pooper did it again, ran to P---s Bell so he could make one of his incoherent replies in the same paper that Harold's add appeared. Pooper broke his own rules again, no signature or ID?
Some of the things Harold isn't reminding everyone about is-- The last day of Gooch's office Gooch wrote a check to the UCDA for 780 thousand dollars leaving Harold with only 30 thousand to run the county with. He took that meager amount and reduced our millage and taxes and built our county back to where he had a million in surplus by the time he left office along with all the projects he completed. He was advised to bring a lawsuit against the UCDA, but he didn't because he didn't want to cost the county any more money. I don't agree with all Harold's moves, but one thing for sure, Lamar is mean and grasping at straws trying to maligne Harold's character blaming him with dishonest deeds. I guess when it is easy for one to cheat and lie then it is easy to accuse someone of doing the same things.
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Post by cooter on Oct 31, 2008 23:33:41 GMT -4
I didn't vote for a Democratic party. I didn't say I voted nationally for a Democrat, just locally for a commissioner who is on a democrat ticket. Bubba implied that Paris a socialist. As a former business owner, land owner, property tax payer, developer, and entrepreneur Paris is a capitalist - not a socialist. You seem confused Mr. Bubba.
I quote Mr. Bubba.
Tell us about Socialism. Tell it to the Republican President. The government wouldn't be owning banks and montage industry if the banks didn't make loans to people who couldn't pay them back. Whose fault is that?
It is called GREED. It is a mess, I agree. Who is paying for it? We are. Explain your socialism to a worker who tries to feed a family on $8 dollars an hour and can't afford health insurance. The system is broke and it needs to be fixed.
And this socialism, national government control, and what kind of commode you speak of is under the reign of a Republican President who hasn't done d**n thing about it my dear friend. Has he been sleeping for eight years? He snoozes and we loose. Anyway, it is not the presidents place to control businesses is it, Mr. Bubba? That would be intrusion into peoples' lives and control.
The cure for socialism is capitalism. Neither Cook or Paris are socialist and it is ridiculous to imply such a thing for either of them. Both Cook and Paris say they want more job opportunity in Union County. Well, Duh! That's what Pairs is working toward. He has a plan and small businesses are coming to Union County. It isn't happening as fast as we need it, but it is happening.
Capitalism utilizes the willpower of individuals, especially entrepreneurs, to create economic activity. Capitalism is based on the assumption that individuals operate based on self interest; however, by doing so they not only help themselves, but also propel others towards economic success.
No, I didn't vote for socialism. I voted for capitalism.
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Post by bubbadebubba on Nov 1, 2008 5:59:35 GMT -4
"Tell us about Socialism. Tell it to the Republican President. The government wouldn't be owning banks and montage industry if the banks didn't make loans to people who couldn't pay them back. Whose fault is that?"
The donkeys!!, who pressed hard and GOT the give-away for the ones who didn't qualify for the loans, just ask Barney Franks, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Harry Reid, and the rest.
I will only agree to one thing, and that is Bush was asleep at the wheel and did NOT use his veto power often enough.
"That's what Pairs is working toward. He has a plan and small businesses are coming to Union County. It isn't happening as fast as we need it, but it is happening. ".
So now we have you asleep and thinking Paris is bringing business to the county.
First off, business only comes where and when there is an opportunity to make money or where there are tax payer incentives for them to do their work. If one used your analogy the county, under Paris, should have seen several businesses with manufacturing jobs open up somewhere in the county.
These jobs are like the roads Paris claims to have paved, no one can find them.
If I tell you over and over something is gonna happen and I have many years in office for it to happen, some of it is bound to occur without any invention on my part.
If we keep Paris in office long enough, we might get a few of those $8 dollar jobs you mention.
"It is called GREED. It is a mess, I agree. Who is paying for it? We are. Explain your socialism to a worker who tries to feed a family on $8 dollars an hour and can't afford health insurance. The system is broke and it needs to be fixed."
You imply that society is responsible for those less fortunate, and that government should supply the needs of those less fortunate. A socialist idea.
It has always been the down and lowly who suffer, partly their own fault and partly the fault of the system.
Does one throw out the baby with the bath water? I think not.
"The cure for socialism is capitalism."
And for the last 20-30 years our leaders have reversed the above equation by giving tax breaks to business moving offshore. Both parties are to blame and people scream at Washington, but when we see a local do the same thing his supporters say how wonderful he is.
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Post by roundtree on Nov 1, 2008 10:20:39 GMT -4
Just a few days left before the last voting on Tuesday . Will Paris steal the election ? Will he and Cooper know the results before Tuesday ? With the exception of Paris and Cooper and their many poster names , the majority of posters here have submitted facts about Paris , the NGN and Cooper lying and doing a great disservice to Union county . More than 350 pages of information , that was not available through the legal organ of Union county has been brought to light , and Paris , Cooper and their many user names , have tried to discredit these facts. There is documentation to back up how Paris has lied , manipulated , and stole from the people of Union county and elsewhere . Let us pray the devil does not have his way again and Paris will be gone . The people can not afford another term of Lamar Paris .
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Post by bubbadebubba on Nov 1, 2008 10:48:17 GMT -4
And the Amen corner speaks up and says; AMEN ROUNDTREE, AMEN.
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Post by roundtree on Nov 2, 2008 11:28:31 GMT -4
If you wish to report on Lamar's intimidating and threatening tactics to obtain votes , call 404 679 9000 . This is federal .
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Post by shortcircuit on Nov 2, 2008 21:34:13 GMT -4
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Post by oscarwho on Nov 3, 2008 11:09:14 GMT -4
Very good short c . Let us pray that there is enough good and intelligent people who will get out and vote and get rid of Lamar Paris . We can not afford Lamar Paris and the other undesirable democrats .
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Post by oscarwho on Nov 4, 2008 7:30:31 GMT -4
Today is the day . Getting an early start and do my part in voting Lamar Paris OUT OF THE UNION COUNTY COURTHOUSE .
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Post by manape on Nov 4, 2008 22:49:45 GMT -4
It looks like you failed to vote Lamar out there Oscar. Oh well. Life goes on.
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Post by taboo on Nov 4, 2008 22:52:55 GMT -4
Amen brother ape,Well Said.
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